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With all the dismal news about America lately, my home, I'm starting to seriously look at where else to move.

Putting aside for now the difficulty of actually immigrating to some countries, I'm curious on the opinions of others (especially people living outside the U.S) on this.

What I'm looking for in a country is, I imagine, similar to many people. I'm trying to find somewhere that will exhibit:

  • Low racism
  • Low sexism
  • Low LGBTQ-phobia
  • Strong laws around food quality and safety
  • Strong laws about environmental protection
  • Strong laws against unethical corporate practices (monopoly, corruption, lobbying, etc)
  • Strong laws for privacy
  • Good treatment of mentally ill, homeless, and impoverished people

Those are the real important things. Of course the nice-to-haves are almost too obvious to be worth listing, low cost of living, strong art and cultural scene, nice environment, and so on.

My actual constraints that might really matter are that I only speak English (and maybe like A1-2 level German). It seems incredibly intimidating to try to find employment somewhere when I can hardly speak the language.

I know nowhere on Earth is perfect, just curious what people may have to suggest. I hope this question isn't too selfish to ask here.

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[–] vfreire85@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

i''m tired of people complaining about bigoted america and "how i want to move to liberal europe". move that lazy ass and topple that idiot in the white house and the system that makes him possible (yes, that means ditching the democrat party too).

[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world -2 points 2 hours ago

This would be great, but the hard truth is this will get you executed in the street, and this country is no longer worth dying for.

It may reach a boiling point eventually, but for now, given the choice, I think I'd prefer to move house than be murdered by my own military.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Denmark seems to fit fairly well and there are some English-only jobs in Copenhagen. I have a lot of colleagues that don't speak Danish.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Danish people rightly expect that immigrants should learn Danish within few years. Not like by law, but culturally.

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 4 points 2 hours ago

I mean if you truly intend to stay in a country for many years, shouldn't you learn the language? Also just for your own sake.

[–] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (6 children)

Funny enough, you are looking at the countries with the most homogeneity and lesser levels of multiculturalism per capita. In this case the most white countries, like Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Switzerland, Luxembourg, et al.
They all have what you are looking for. However, many of there are either fairly expensive, have less than optimal weather or have fairly strict laws, unless you are an EU member or want to ask for asylum, political or otherwise.

Like other have mentioned, at a recent WEF meeting, at DAVOS earlier in the year, the President of Spain stated that he wanted to ban encryption, or have access to encrypted services... Why? For your protection, obviously. Do a search on Youtube and you will find the video. Keep in mind the presentation is fairly long. You may be able to find a clip of it.

The UK and Germany have gone down the drain when it comes to privacy laws and they are heading straight into Big Brother or 1984 territory. No joke. So those should be avoided.

Like other have said, Uruguay and Argentina are pretty good options albeit both Argentina and Chile are not doing too well economically for now. But I do have a friend who is moving to Argentina,, albeit he is fluent in Spanish so for him it won't be hard.

Other possible options are Australia but if you think owning a home is hard in the USA, then you have seen nothing yet in Australia. New Zealand is also a good option, too although like some other countries at the top of the list, moving there can be a tad difficult Re: Red tape, albeit it is a bit easier if you are part of the Common Wealth, which I assume you are not.

Correction: Not the Spanish President, but the Spanish Prime Minister. as my links below. My bad.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

Sweden

Lol.

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[–] edel@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

After been in 5 continents in 30+ countries and living in 6... the best for your requirements is Spain. Spain, even the opposing parties are unlikely to touch most of those protections since it has wide support among the population. Now, Spain is not panacea, it still has stigma against Gypsies, older people face job discrimination, etc.

Regarding privacy is OK, more due to inaction than protection but far better than most neighbors in the north.

On corruption... the 'perception' is that there is plenty but no more than I witnessed in countries like Germany, UK or USA... the difference is that corruption in Spain is highly exposed by rival parties/media while in the other countries it is no so sensationalized, that is why of the increase 'perception'. By the way, Scandinavia, that I used to admire, above local governments, I donΒ΄t see it much better on corruption levels, specially since late 2000s.

Regarding foreigners, Spain has many offers in certain jobs, where English is a requirement, but not easy at all for more common jobs where the local language is what is mostly used, even if you dominate it well. Now, you will be surprised how many companies are moving jobs to Spain since it is easier to attract talent to Barcelona or Malaga than to Berlin or Grenoble... and they save in salaries.

Now, if you put less emphasis in sexism and LGBTQ, certain countries in Latin America like Mexico or Uruguay, or across the ocean others like Malaysia may be more appealing, it is not that they are expressively against those groups, it is just they demand a more quiet sexual expression from you.

Lastly, countries like Australia, New Zealand and the like have become so corrupt at high level and against privacy and freedom of expression in certain topics, should be disregarded if you emphasis on that. Ireland, is the only exception in the Anglo world, now, like Switzerland and Norway, they are floating in money o every one is okay while economies are good... the test comes, as always, come in challenging times. Till, then, consider those three too.

[–] hamburger@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Spain is one of the main supporters of the infamous chatcontrol and wants to ban encryption. So, please tell me more about Spain and its stance on privacy …

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[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 12 points 1 day ago

That's most European countries. Pick one, learn its language and immigration laws, and off you go

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)
  • Strong laws against unethical corporate practices (monopoly, corruption, lobbying, etc)
  • Good treatment of mentally ill, homeless, and impoverished people

These exist almost nowhere in the world

[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 points 15 hours ago

Denmark is close I would like to say.

[–] borokov@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Well, in France you have 4 free consultation to psy therapy per year, and government recently stop a project of drilling oil in Acquitaine because it was in a natural preservation area.

Far from being perfect but its something.

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[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 26 points 1 day ago (4 children)

US ex pat here:

I think you will find more success in this if you find a place or two you want to live in and run TO something instead of AWAY from something. It'll always be a bit of both, but this post reads more like (very understandably) "get me out of here" than "I want to be somewhere new".

Being an ex pat has plenty of hard aspects of course. I think some of them are made quite a bit easier when you passionately dive into the culture and life in a new place. At least to me it would be impossible if my head was still in the US.

Of course you're doing nothing wrong! Just some advice if it gets a bit more serious.

Like many in the thread: Canada, Australia/New Zealand, Scandinavia, Germany, UK (not that they're doing fantastic right now), Netherlands would be my top choices with your criteria. Most large companies will be more likely to have English speaking as the working language and you'll learn the local language (s) while living there. Best of luck!

[–] edel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

"At least to me it would be impossible if my head was still in the US". I completely understand it... contributing with taxes to these policies from Washington DC may feel appalling... Now, the US has plenty of small and diverse type of communities some would find remarkable, like bubbles within the Empire... some can easily find peace there. Emigrating to another country is not recommended, nor feasible to everyone, but just moving within the US can be day and night different. Moving just a few miles away and and your lifestyle and friends can potentially change almost as much as moving abroad, and still close to your family/job.

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[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reading the list, NZ does pretty well... Right to the end...

  • good treatment of mentally ill, homeless and impoverished people......
    We don't do that here
[–] octobob@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

This may be anecdotal but I visited Christchurch NZ last year and walked around the whole city. I don't believe I saw a single person begging / sleeping on the street.

Compared to my small rust belt city in the US where there's homeless at every busy intersection begging and pop-up tent settlements that will frequently be destroyed by cops. Bigger cities and/or the West Coast ones like Portland have way more of this type of thing.

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 1 points 49 minutes ago

Mental health care in NZ is abysmal.

I'm not sure about Christchurch, but my small town of 25k people, has people begging. Homelessness in bigger centres is visible.

We do try to help, but it's getting worse.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

ITT: A lot of people doing the typical StackOverflow thing of asserting the question is bad and answering a different question instead.

No country's that great but Canada's doing aight.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

No country’s that great but Canada’s doing aight.

You can buy a castle in France cheaper than dump apartments in Canada, apparently it's a popular vlog on YouTube.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

I said "aight" not good

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 day ago

Thanks for understanding, I do feel a bit hurt by some insinuations in some responses, but I understand why citizens of the world would feel unhappy with whiny Americans right now. I just hope it doesn't progress into a hatred. Many of my fellow Americans are very good people, but unfortunately we are so disenfranchised politically - I think it's hard to convey the extent of it. The state of things here isn't a result of laziness and unwillingness to participate. But in fairness, I didn't refine my original post deeply and it came off not quite right. I'm not looking to selfishly abandon ship or become a silent drain on another country. I would love to build community, but it's certainly easier in some places than others, for a wide variety of reasons.

[–] benni@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I think this is a very valid question. Sometimes the grass really is greener on the other side.

I like it here in Germany. Laws and social safety are relatively strong. Oftentimes I see an article about some chemical common in food being a cancer risk, and then I research it and see that it is a US-centered article and that the EU already banned the chemical years ago.

Right wing populism is strongly on the rise here though. Racism and LGBTQ-phobia will strongly depend, with smaller villages and regions in East Germany being worse on average.

If you're a top earner, you most likely won't get the crazy high salaries here that you might expect from the US (even if accounted for cost of living, childcare etc).

Bureaucracy is annoying.

Rent can be very high depending on the region.

Job market strongly favors German speakers. I heard the Netherlands are more open in that regard. I think this will be your biggest hurdle.

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[–] Ymer@feddit.dk 2 points 1 day ago

Consider your education and professional background and how well you'll integrate in the workforce of whatever countries you're looking at. Look into general unemployment rates as well as for your specific area of expertise. Can you work remotely?

[–] kwedd@feddit.nl 18 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The Netherlands, Germany and Scandinavia have all those things and people tend to speak English really well.

[–] space_of_eights@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 day ago (6 children)

As for the 'No racism' part, skip the Netherlands. One of the current governing parties is openly racist and can even be considered fascist. Also, we have a huge housing crisis, so finding a place to live may be challenging.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wouldn't rely on Germany to remain stable and democratic these days. The fascists are the strongest party and the new chancellor is an oligarchy stooge of the worst kind.

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