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They aren't turning on him. He's not on shaky ground. You people are damn fools I'd you believe that.
Most Republicans are not turning on Trump, true. But it doesn't take more than ~5% switching from Republican to Democrat, to make Republicans never win a national election again.
Looking in from Europe, the immovability of US voters is quite bizarre to me. Most people I know don't have being a "Republican" or similar as part of their personal identity.
That's not them turning on Trump. That's them being so conditioned to cheer for anything they hear on stage that they're just mindlessly cheering. You can't honestly think they're wanting to impeach Trump, come on man, there's no way you're that fucking stupid to believe that.
They cheered repeatedly, but since you're too "fucking stupid" to read the article we're done here.
I watched the video man, christ.
Nah, Their hate for womens choice and that choice isn't them will keep them voting for hate.
A 30-year-old Iraq war veteran? That math ain't mathing
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Iraq war ended in 2011. If you were born in 1996 (to be 30 today) you would be 18 in 2014, well after that war ended...
So either the article is 3+ years old, or calling the person 30 was rounding down.
American troops pulled out of Iraq this year, so I imagine anyone stationed there who was involved with the post war (i.e. ISIS) are considered 'Iraq' vets.
I guess there would be a distinction between serving in Iraq and be an "Iraq war vet" which has more specific requirements.
I think "shaky ground" is doing a lot of work here.
The head of the "you're hurting the wrong people" party will have those chronically online young MAGA men back in his good graces with ease. All it takes is one situation where these men are faced with a situation where they are asked to acknowledge transgender people as human beings, or lord forbid, a black pilot is flying their plane.
Besides, if those things never happen, it still won't matter. The thing about chronically online young men is that next year there will be a new crop ready to replace the ones that got shipped off to die or be crapped on after they come back disabled.
asked to acknowledge transgender people as human beings, or lord forbid, a black pilot is flying their plane.
I don't know about the trans bit, but I expect servicemen will be a bit more tolerant of black people: I'm of the opinion that black people are over-represented in the military since they are also far more likely to be from economically disadvantaged areas and this more likely to enlist so they can get any job vs none.
One of my workmates immigrated to Canada to be with a really sweet and beautiful girl, but his background is Montgomery, Marines artillery, and Navy. He said a massive portion of servicemen are either out of prison or avoiding the poverty-driven choices that leads to prison. He's the only one of his childhood friend group who is not in a cell or a grave right now.
So I would anticipate servicemen to be aware of class struggle a bit more, and will have learned that blood is thicker than water.
It's interesting watching it. A lot of conservative voters are old enough to remember the shitshow of the Iraq war and I wonder if that's part of what's making them sweat
If you voted for Trump again in 2024, thats on you. Anybody with half a brain knew he lies as naturally as he breaths.
*breathes
Very helpful
So the war is the straw that broke the camel’s back? Not that he’s a rapist or a convicted felon? Not that he let Musk destroy the government? Or that ICE is running rampant kidnapping and killing Americans and people of other nationalities? Or that he illegally sunk foreign boats in international waters? Or that he is trying undermine the constitution they hold so dear? Or that he raised the cost of living? Or he killed a million Americans by pretending Covid wasn’t real and told people to try stupid things?
a rapist
Yeah, but he's just getting what men should be getting, the concept of 'rape' doesn't make sense since women shouldn't have a say in it
convicted felon
That's just those libs falsely persecuting him you see.
let Musk destroy the government?
The biggest thing was this super liberal sounding US AID where we help people who should be lifting themselves up by their bootstraps
kidnapping and killing Americans and people of other nationalities
You mean those spanish speaking people who don't speak American good enough? Or the libs that deserve what they got for being libs?
sunk foreign boats in international waters
Yeah, those were some of them non-Muricans again, good riddance
undermine the constitution
Yeah, but imagine how much that'll own the libs!
pretending Covid wasn’t real and told people to try stupid things?
Covid wasn't real, and if it was, it wasn't his fault and I'm sure Fauci is somehow to blame...
he raised the cost of living
Well, that's where we are now, my 10 mile to the gallon vehicle now costs hundreds of dollars to fill up, and that is what matters. All to help out some jews that MAGA largely otherwise looks down upon.
War affects their pocketbook in a more concrete way.
These people have always been selfish.
I was gonna throw another few out, but the truth is you could keep going forever. There is no bottom to his depravity, and there is no limit to his criminality. Any list, no matter how exhaustive, would come up short.
him being a pedophile racist dictator with a long documented history of lying and grifting was a good thing for his supporters. they saw him as relatable.
the problem for them is that gas prices went up. so now it affects them a little bit.
And the young Republicans boys don't want to be sent to war ! They may be stupid but they know who gets sent to wars.
The poor, minority men who don't have enough cash or clout from Daddy to get out of it or get cushy non-frontline positions? Cause that's who gets sent to fight these wars. These guys would be officers sitting in offices and not fighting. And they know it as well as we do.
No, it's not.
This is just the 100th iteration of "this time they will really start to criticise Trump". And then the cult gets new orders and instantly they will fall silent and shift their opinion as instructed to match their new reality.
These people really took 1984 as an instruction manual.
Hard to say, because the notable people can't generally back down. They were called out as idiots and invested their whole public image around rejecting that. To backtrack is to admit they were idiots.
For those that more casually voted for him, well, they could be shifting. Maybe that MAGA tradwife silently changes their vote, but doesn't want her family to know.
Yup. 79% of Republicans approve of how Trump is handling the Iran War. No reasonable and informed person can hold that opinion - we are not dealing with serious people here.
This is just the 100th iteration of “this time they will really start to criticise Trump”.
Yep. I've stopped thinking any straw will break the camel's back of maga. They seem willing to accept literally any behavior from him. Every one of these articles about disillusioned trumpers never seems to have a basis in more than one or two anecdotal examples. These headlines exist only to provide copium (or maybe hopium) to the rest of us.
History says hat the straw that breaks the back of the cult of personality is the death or disempowerment of their figurehead.
I believe you are right that nothing that the leadership does will lose them support, but if there are endictments that least to prison or key deaths, it will come undone.
I believe that when that happens the spell will break, you will have a hard time finding anyone who will admit to have supported this regime or many of its actions.
Every one of these articles about disillusioned trumpers never seems to have a basis in more than one or two anecdotal examples.
That's entirely a matter of perspective, or more precise here: timing.
That wide outrage really exists. But it is very short-lived and just a case of "waiting on new instruction how to think".
He will still vote Republican in the midterms and in 2028.
Because…
as usual
It’s finally affecting them personally. Gas and diesel prices are rising. Wait until food starts to go higher again.
A 66 percent majority of older MAGA men are willing to sacrifice American lives in order for the U.S. to achieve its goals in Iran, compared with less than half of younger MAGA men who say the same.
Yeah no shit. The younger guys are the ones who are gonna get shot and blown up.
he ain't no senator's son
What goals would those be? Would it be opening the Strait of Hormuz? Or how about an Iran without nuclear weapons?
Funny how we had both of those "goals" before the shitgibbon started the war.
b-but Iran was 2 weeks away from having nuclear weapons...
The goal is avoiding punishment for raping all those children over the past 40ish years
Translation: A 66 percent majority of older MAGA men are willing to sacrifice ~~American~~ other people's lives.
puts hand in fire
Ow! The fire that we were warned incessantly to be excruciatingly hot, burned our other hand once already, then incessantly warned would burn us again if we did the same thing, just burned is again when we did the same thing! 😢
30-year-old veteran, eh? The real "leopards ate my face" is gonna be when he gets called back up and shipped out.
If only he had a lifetime history of pathological lying to serve as a warning flag.
"America First"? Trump is not wrong, he simply didn't tell you the verb. "Sell America First".
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