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President Donald Trump has warned the U.K. and France that the “U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore,” as he vented his frustration over the close allies’ refusal to join military action against Iran.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago

I think we've passed the power and control issues. We've long since left ideologies behind. What is unfolding now is a choice between good and evil (or law versus lawlessness).

[–] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

He's been attacking the UK verbally almost constantly to the point if we did get involved I'd actually prefer it if we took Irans side in the war. I personally think we should be cutting ties with the US completely until at least Putins little puppet is in prison.

[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 155 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I thought America had the greatest army in the world and didn't want out help anyway

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

When has America actually helped anyone since WW2? Korea? Kuwait? Everything else was dubious, at best; often crimes against humanity levels of imperialism, corruption, and war crimes.

Most of the cold war was so tense and dangerous because they considered everything other than capitalism — regardless of any populations democratic will and self-determination — an existential threat that warrants warfare and mass murder.

I think the cold war was less about ideology about economic systems and more about alignment with the Soviet Union.

There was plenty of eurocommunism and social democracy in Europe that wasn't commented on by the US. Relations with the PRC were normalized in the 1970s after the 1961 sino-soviet split.

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[–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 82 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The fool doesn't understand that any "joint military action" will trigger WW3

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 82 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty sure that's the intent of whoever is telling Trump what to do.

[–] MadhuGururajan@programming.dev 19 points 1 week ago (7 children)

then THAT "whoever" is a fool. A world war is pretty much the end of the gravy train. They're dumb if they think they will come out on top.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 39 points 1 week ago (11 children)

You seem pretty confident in that despite the fact that large scale wars have made the current players in this war rich and powerful in the first place.

Look at the outcomes of WWII. The US and Russia emerge as superpowers. Hell, it's the only reason Israel even exists.

Wars exist because they benefit the ruling class.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You need to understand that there is a real faction within the already heinous Nationalist Christians that are even more truly batshit insane than their already crazy baseline, who are genuinely doing their level best to bring about the biblical end times - which, of course just means a nuclear holocaust for everyone. This is not hyperbole. There are people who are actually pushing for that outcome who are part of our regime right now.

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[–] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The moment anyone else moves to assist he will simply bail out and walk away. He was actually dumb enough to say that out loud too. It would be strategically stupid and politically suicidal for anyone else to get involved.

[–] Marcomunista@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Okay, great, let us know if you need a hand dismantling U.S. bases in Europe

[–] albbi@piefed.ca 14 points 1 week ago

Or like in Afghanistan, just leave everything behind and gtfo.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago

Draft dodging pedophile says what?

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 week ago (19 children)

They never were. We were there for them though. There's only one NATO country who used NATO article 5 "an attack against one is an attack against all": the US after 9/11. And the rest came to their aid.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 37 points 1 week ago

The word "allies" means people who work together for a common goal. When Trump made up his own goals (e.g., tariffs, wars), he got rid of those. So there's nothing to ally around.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh no! Anyways…..

Trump speed running making the US irrelevant again.

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 34 points 1 week ago

I thought he didn't need help? Never shuts up about how much he's winning.

[–] slickgoat@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

The only country in NATO to invoke the defence retaliation clause in 60 years is the US, following SEP 11.

[–] Tarambor@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They never were. For decades the US has only been in NATO for it's own enrichment and it's own defence. The ballistic early warning radar that the US have in the UK aren't of any use to us, flight times from Russia are so short that we'd not be able to react. But they do give the US a significant amount of time to be warned of inbound nukes and to do something about it for them.

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[–] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

I find it helpful to picture Zoidberg whenever Trump opens his mouth.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 17 points 1 week ago

as his russian and israeli handlers commanded.

[–] Foni@piefed.zip 17 points 1 week ago

We don't need your help, we are satisfied that YOU DO NOT BREAK THE FUCKING PLANET AND THE ENTIRE INTERNATIONAL SYSTEM

[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why don't they just ask their best buddy Israel to step up their game?

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

Or glaze Putin some more?

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

The problem, you vainglorious asshole, is that you wouldn't have been anyway and everyone has realized that. And now that you've pissed away all of America's good will you have no leverage.

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Was the US there to help them before?

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 14 points 1 week ago

kthxbye, asshole.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When was it ever? Since WWII, what has the US done for Europe?

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] originaltnavn@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The Marshall plan was a good deal for many of us here way back.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It was good optics indeed. It was also 13 billion over 3 years divided by 17 countries.

The Marshall Plan's accounting reflects that aid accounted for about 3% of the combined national income of the recipient countries between 1948 and 1951, which means an increase in GDP growth of less than half a percent.

Not zero, for sure. But far cry from "lots"

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

GDP growth of the European Union past year was about 1.5%. I wouldn't say a 3% of extra "free" money is a negligible amount.

Indeed, the US did not bring trains there where only cows were being bred by farmers, but the influence of the Marshall plan was big in the countries most affected by it. Regardless of what the actual aims and intentions of the plan were.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Depends on the area 3% of GDP can do a lot of good, of course (or a lot of nothing I suppose). Yet, it's by definition isn't "a lot".

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 11 points 1 week ago

The world needs to cut the US out entirely for the foreseeable future.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

UK should ground all US assets at its air force bases, and tell US "As soon as you cease illegal attack operations, we with rest of world, will return SoH back to normal." Thank you for your attention on this matter.

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