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Look. I'm an apatheist. I don't really care. It's one kind of BS or another to me.
But on one hand, you have a someone who has decades of experience and study in the traditions, text, and history of their religion, and on the other hand, you have an asshole who fucked a couch and is a useful puppet for Peter Thiel and a bunch of other billionaire sociopath fucksticks.
Pretty easy to figure out who I'd respectfully disagree with and who I'd just call a goddamned idiot.
Kegbreath quoted the pulp fiction Bible verse today.
I am an agnostic myself, but one thing I can say for sure, that every time one wants me to say that their religion/beliefs are supreme, the more willing I am to ~~convert~~ switch to atheism. Also all organized religions are bullshit.
I'm a theist agnostic. I believe in some sort of higher power, whether an individual, multiple, or even just spiritual energy. I firmly believe that organized religion as a whole is bad for humans. It removes the ability to question and think critically of things. You're supposed to believe this. You're taught to believe that. You're not choosing to believe in something, you're being told to.
Atheist agnostic I suppose. I grew up catholic tho, got confirmed in high school and everything lol. I hated the idea that "you're nothing without God" and "you need God in your life" attitude that they use. Like bro that's literally abusive behavior what are you doing?
I have a question for you tho. What are your thoughts about humans eventually being able to "measure god"? I'm thinking about radiation, electricity, radio waves. Things that were always there but we just didn't know what they were. Like if you went near radiation before it was "discovered", you still got sick, you just didn't know why.
But we studied those things and now we understand them better. What if "god" as it's known, or "spiritual experiences" or whatever, are something we can actually devise a way to measure or study? We just don't understand it yet.
I'm curious to hear from an agnostic theist about this specifically lol. Just the idea that we could "measure god" somehow. A thiest would say god can't be measured and an atheist would say there is no god so it doesn't matter.
Hey! I grew up Catholic too! Left the church when I was 8, found agnosticism when I was around 19.
Honestly? I don't think there is a way to "measure god", or "gods" or whatever higher power. As a theist, it exists beyond existence. It's something that exists between lives. I believe in reincarnation at least in a spiritual form, so you meet between lives. I believe that if a "higher power" actually exists, it exists beyond any living creatures' ability to study it. You can feel it, it can exist as a presence but you can never know it's there. You cannot study it or know what/where/who/how many it is.
It's why I fell so hard for agnosticism. The idea that there might be something and there might not be, and we have no way as creatures to ever know that. So it's up to us individually to identity within ourselves how we feel. You fall under the atheist side and I fall under the theist side. I've always felt if there was a way to prove a god exists, that'd be neat and I'd totally believe it. But we don't and I still believe one exists. You're the opposite where you don't believe one exists, but are still open to the idea that one could. We share the same world view from different sides of the coin.
I've always seen agnosticism as the "scientific" approach to faith. I don't need to know that there is a god or gods. I just believe there is, but if science ever proved once or the other I'd side on that research. Same with you on the opposite spectrum. But I'm not going to let others... Whether it be preachers or neighbours, or a fucking book dictate what I should believe. I believe what I choose to.
And as someone who loves knowledge and science and space and all that shit, the more and more we learn about the universe, the more and more "proof" there probably isn't any measurable "God" for us here on Earth. Which goes back to be belief of an inter-spiritual deity/deities between the lives our spirits live.
Like... Our moon radiates detectable energy. It's gravitational pull creates the tides here on Earth, a hunk of rock rotating around our planet. Radio waves in space can be traced back to stars exploding light years away. It's not God making them, it's the universe around us just existing.
That makes sense from a theist perspective lol, that any "god" is inherently beyond our understanding/ comprehension. I think everyone should at least lean agnostic, cuz how can you say for sure either way?
Personal faith is way better than any organized religion since it forces you to think about these heavy questions instead of just accepting what you're told.
I really like that idea tho, it's not God it's just the universe existing.
What's he gonna do? Fuck the popes couch?
The Vatican should be taking threat very seriously. He did kill the last Pope
the balls on this couch-fucker... He needs to watch his mouth.
The couch might come back for him later.
If you're not a Catholic, you might not understand how fucked up it is for Vance to stand there and call the Pope wrong about theology.
By definition, the Pope is right about religion. If he changes his mind tomorrow, he was right then and he is right now.
The equivalent would be if I became a Buddhist and then told the current Dalai Lama he was doing it wrong. Or maybe if I became a Hindu and then insisted that, actually, cheeseburgers are fuckin' awesome.
No joke, Vance is like two more dumbass statements away from being excommunicated.
Arguably, there would be decent historic precedent for excommunicating Vance RIGHT NOW.
Of the 50 people in that audience, half were shocked by what he said. The other half were trying to remember the lyrics to the Baby Shark song.
MAGA has come to the Catholic Church, and we've all seen what happens when MAGA comes to town. If he's smart, the Pope should excommunicate him immediately, and threaten every other MAGA with the same if they don't straighten up.
Be careful indeed!
The Pope is WRONG and THEREFORE the Bible NEEDS to be Law!
-Republicans!
When Vance tells a Pope to be careful, that Pope should be careful. You know, considering Vance's established track record with Popes...
as a catholic, vance should probably be careful talking shit about the pope.
you know, the literal hand of god on earth, the holy see, the Supreme Pontiff, the very man who could order Vance's excommunication after a thorough auto de fe?
he's so fucking dumb, join a worldwide club then whine piss and moan about it's leader....
Vance needs to be careful when fucking the sofa. There are zippers on those cushions.
One of the requirements for being a fascist is being stupid. Vance is no exception to that rule.
The utter fucking nerve of these assholes.
I'm not even a christian anymore, Catholic or otherwise. In fact I've long since gone full on athiest.
But even I'M offended by this new level of horseshit by the Trump clown-show.
That's like lecturing Albert Einstein or Stephen Hawking in physics lol
It is a bit like saying a professor of mathematics with 10+ years of experience in teaching calculus should be careful when talking about calculus.
... from a guy who just heard about calculus for the first time
JD literally woke up one morning and decided to debate theology with the fucking Vicar of Christ.
INNNNN THIS CORNER, wearing all white and a skull cap, he's the Vicar of Christ, the Bishop of Rome, the SUCCESSOR to the Price of the Apostles, iiiiiiiIIIITS POPE LEO THE FOURTEENTH!!
And in THIS CORNER, wearing a tailored suit and red tie, Couch fucker, white trash cosplayer and world's worst negotiator, John Dilbert Vaaaaaaance!
Look, they already decided they knew science better than scientists, they knew war better than military generals, they knew economy better than economists.
Why did aynone think they would stop at theology?
The old pope died of cringe when he met Vance so I'd consider this a threat.
Isn't the Pope supposed to be the guy for Catholics, appointed to directly hear God's voice on Earth, and spread it to the masses? And if that's the case, aren't all these faux-Christians disagreeing with him - like Vance - disagreeing with the very God they purport to worship?
Catholics can disagree with the pope on secular matters, the problem here is that the pope is quoting the catechism almost verbatim, and convert-boy is throwing a tantrum because he joined the church based on aesthetics and not any kind of conviction.
Oh yes, world renowned theologian James David Vance foremost expert on theol...wait theology is when you fuck couches right?
Couch Fucker vs The Word of God. I'm not a religious man, but I know who I'd believe.
