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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 2 points 1 minute ago

I don't understand what kind of capitalist pig you need to be to allow private companies access to low orbit.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 points 24 minutes ago (1 children)

It's going to be a lot worse when SpaceX and xAI merge and they're launching thousands of data center satellites in orbit.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 6 minutes ago

They'll probably launch 100 and not have enough demand. It's an unfathomably expensive thing.

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 44 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (8 children)

What the fuck is "half a pickup truck" for a measure

[–] Mantzy81@aussie.zone 37 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

Americans will use anything other than the metric system.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

This is a Canadian publication.

EDIT:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Narwhal

The Narwhal is a Canadian investigative online magazine that focuses on environmental issues.[1][2]

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 2 points 54 minutes ago

Unfortunately, a lot of Americanisms have infected Canada due to our historically extremely close trade and cultural relationship with them. Measurement ignorance is one example. Some Americanisms actually become arguably worse in Canada, because we are effectively rudderless, pulled in all different directions by both our own laws and customs and American laws and customs at the same time, resulting in an even less well-defined choice of units. Another example is dates. The US uses mm/dd/yy which is already stupid on its own, but Canada uses BOTH mm/dd/yy and dd/mm/yy seemingly without rhyme or reason, which results in complete ambiguity of many dates, or trying to figure out based on context, looking for other dates that might use a day number >12 to identify which one actually is the day vs the month.

It's awful. I am happy we are distancing ourselves from the US right now, but I'm not sure it will ever be enough to totally escape their shadow.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

yeah, we have fucking idiots who have no idea what a kilogram is.

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

As an american, I am 100% onboard on switching entirely to measuring things in terms of pickup trucks.

[–] Corngood@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 hour ago
  1. Preheat oven to 1 pickup truck
  2. Bake for 1 pickup truck
[–] gnate@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

But the reference objects keep getting bigger!

It's like a cubit, it changes depending on who's in charge.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

but it's 0.5 Pickup Trucke.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 1 points 44 minutes ago

Front or back half? They are substantially different on volume

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

what rural Murica understands.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Two of them is roughly the size of a pickup truck...

Like, it's volume, they could say X gallons, but it would be hard for people to visualize. So people use an example most readers would be familiar with.

Have you honestly never wondered why journalists use random things? Or has no one taken the time to answer before?

It's been common literally for centuries before either of us were born, but most likely all of human existence. Just with animals like buffalo instead of pickup trucks.

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

The problem is he’s Unfortunately, short, so he has a hard time on visualizing things like the size of pick up, which are quite large

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Americans will use literally anything except the metric system 😔

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 3 points 2 hours ago

You posted a minute earlier, but the other guy got the upvotes. Or maybe the timing is based on instance?

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Half of the standard passenger vehicle around here.

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

but how many hamburgers is it?!

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 2 hours ago

Probably 1.25x the size of a washing machine

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 13 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

As was always the plan for these satellites.

The article raises a vague concern about Kessler syndrome. This is exactly why these satellites are designed to deorbit once their useful lifespan is finished. I don't see what the point of this article is at all.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They probably burn up also

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 1 hour ago

Yeah, they actually design them with reentry in mind to maximize the burn-up and ensure no pieces hit the ground. I recall they had a bit of difficulty when they first introduced laser data links to the design because the lenses the satellites used were large pieces of glass that would make it to the ground on reentry, they had to redesign them to fragment more easily.

[–] gnate@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Part of the plan, sure, but that doesn't mean it's a good plan. They don't have control of where the debris lands, and Starlink doesn't take responsibility for cleanup when it lands on others' property.

[–] prodigalsorcerer@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

The debris will be microscopic. It won't "land" anywhere noticeable.

The fine particulate matter may not be great for the ozone layer, but it's actually pretty negligible compared to all of the other pollution that we're not addressing either. That doesn't justify the pollution, but hopefully it helps contextualize it.

[–] gnate@lemmy.world 1 points 49 minutes ago

Per the article, sometimes they burn up, sometimes they don't.

The big culprit I was remembering isn't Starlink, but SpaceX, with the debris being potentially lethal (over 6 feet, too heavy for one person to move.)

From the same professor: https://wlos.com/news/local/professor-spacexs-lack-of-accountability-for-space-debris-frustrating-nasa-samantha-lawlwer-university-of-regina-saskatchewan-canada

Musk's companies are notorious for lack of responsibility. At least Cards Against Humanity held they're get to the fire for a minute.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 2 points 1 hour ago

I ran into this dramatization for media hits before, with the complaint about rocket launches and their contribution to pollution. People were all about getting out the pitchforks, especially since it was mainly about Elon Musk, but when the actual numbers were mentioned (very small), suddenly, I was the bad guy. No one likes real facts.

Now, should we be launching so many things that are designed to fall back down so soon? Probably not, that's the mark of a disposable society in high gear. But how we're doing things, and why, should be the focus, not a headline that makes it sound like things are falling out of the sky to hit people.

[–] nullPointer@programming.dev 4 points 1 hour ago

and, is that half an F150 or half a Ranger?

[–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I yearn for the day Kessler Syndrome finally locks us on this rock with the billionaires that have ruined this planet for personal gains.

Their hastily built escape rockets coming face to face with chunks of debris travelling at orbital velocity, would truly be poetic justice.

Heralding the beginning of an actual civilised society, one without the people that spend their lives manipulating world governments and public opinion through lobbying and mass media.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

The syndrome is kind of already in effect it's just in very early cycles. It was a few months ago the ISS made emergency maneuvers to avoid debris and a few weeks ago some telecom satellite lost comms and they assume from debris. Won't be long as more debris multiplies that it becomes unmanageable and untraceable so bad that your scenario starts happening.

Although realistically with the strides we've made in orbital liftoff weights they'll probably start armoring shit.

[–] NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Given that they left the shuttle booster unpainted to save on weight, I doubt we'll be able to launch anything with armour that can stop anything but the smallest shards from doing damage, we also already amrour everything to protect against the constant bombardment of space debris, where even a spec of dust can create a 2mm hole

https://www.esa.int/Space_Safety/Space_Debris/Hypervelocity_impacts_and_protecting_spacecraft

[–] mech@feddit.org 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Depending on trajectory, space debris in orbit can hit you with up to 10x the velocity of an armor-piercing sabot round (which is just a metal dart). So even tanks on earth aren't armored nearly enough to survive space debris.