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[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (10 children)

My mom taught high school English for decades and she used to tell her students that JK Rowling is a great storyteller, but a terrible author. She dreamed up a really cool world that really resonated with people, but her execution in that world is awful. The biggest place you see this is to lift the curtain on anything, and it crumbles instantly. Time Turners? Unnecessary plot device with massive implications. American wand? Kills Voldemort immediately. Sex ed at Hogwarts? No sex, only snog?

JK Rowling hasn't helped herself with this either, by continuously editorializing. Hermione was always black. Dumbledore is gay for wizard Hitler. Wizards didn't need bathrooms and would just magic away their shit, except wizard bathrooms are a central plot point for the second book. When she was starting out, she didn't have the money for a real editor. When she made it big, it was by the strength of her own bootstraps, so she didn't need one. It shows. She shat gold once, and in her eyes, it's now gold every time.

Avada Kedavra is dumb. Wizard duels essentially have to follow the be first, best, or cheat rule. The definite death spell makes being best pointless and cheating too slow. You have to go nuclear first and fastest. Also, the defining characteristic is the green flash and no marks on the dead body. In the world of Harry Potter, if nobody sees the flash, and nobody finds the murder wand, every heart attach and brain aneurysm is indistinguishable from the universes ultimate crime.

But, I think things like this are a reason why people love Harry Potter. It's why I did. When you're presented with a world so incredible with an execution that's lukewarm at best, it allows your imagination to take over. I love reading cheap, bad, free-on-Kindle sci-fi and fantasy, because oftentimes the central idea can be really unique, cool, and interesting. The execution can be awful, or sometimes not, but the core idea is usually a diamond. I get to be an archeologist, uncover it, and re-imagine it as I see fit. That's why so many Harry Potter fans get defensive. It resonated so strongly because people had to invest their own imaginations so deeply to make sense of a story that fundamentally doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 1 week ago

When you’re presented with a world so incredible with an execution that’s lukewarm at best, it allows your imagination to take over.

See also: Star Wars

I love Star Wars though.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I catch your drift. I always thought that wizarding duels and the death curse itself could've been far more interesting and exciting if, once successfully cast on someone, the curse will go on to kill the person…eventually. Like, you cast the spell, green flash or whatever, doesn't matter. Then, soon afterwards but not immediately, something atrocious or unlucky would happen, health wise or not, that would kill the person. Which means the victim knows they were cursed, but they can still fight back, making it not a duel ending spell, but a mutually assured annihilation kind of nuclear option. So, wizards would have to strategically choose if and when to use it.

The toll on the body and mind of the curse user should have also been way steeper. Like, each curse should've made the user lose a finger, rot the skin, drive them to insanity, sink them into a manic or depressive crisis, lose eyes, go bald, etc. Reflecting the corresponding corruption of the soul. So that using the curse would have to be carefully considered by everyone, even the antagonists. Voldemort used the curse thousands of times and all he had to give in return was melatonin, keratine and cartilage.

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 1 points 1 week ago

I love that it's finally culturally acceptable to say "Actually no, the books weren't better. They sucked" lol

What Alfonso Cuarón managed to achieve with Prisoner of Azkaban on screen however still gives me goosebumps... plotholes be damned lol

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[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

This is what happens when your worldbuilding is done by someone with no head for systems analysis. Political systems and magic systems use the same skills to understand.

That's why I hate apolitical stories. The writers are usually bad at worldbuilding too.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

…and then your fun, completely apolitical story has stuff like "one of the main characters tries to end slavery and is ridiculed by the narrative for it"

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And don't worry, if some of your readers are so strongly anti-slavery that they think the book is ridiculing the characters ridiculing the anti-slavery character, you can host a guest post on your blog explaining that it's supposed to be pro-slavery and anyone getting any other message is wrong.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel like that isn’t a hypothetical…?

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This isn't a hypothetical thread. Rowling's Pottermore blog had this post https://web.archive.org/web/20170929062836/https://www.pottermore.com/features/to-spew-or-not-to-spew-hermione-granger-and-the-pitfalls-of-activism (which has since been removed, but only after it had been up for years) full of slavery apologia and with the premise that whether or not slavery is bad, Hermione's actions to try and stop it (which amounted to asking people to stop having slaves) were worse.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah figured it wasn’t hypothetical, but holy fuck people… do they not realize that all you have to do is change “elf” to “black people” and those are literally the same arguments used for slavery and how wrong that was….

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And it gets worse when combined with Rowling's later comments that she'd always imagined Hermione was black.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

“Imagined” yet after all the book art and movie she never bothered to correct anyone? I smell some retconning BS there.

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[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People love HP so much, and i kind of get it, but on the other hand it's so shit. The whole game of quidditch is the dumbest thing i have ever seen. People like HP so much that they play that absolute nonsense game IRL. And quidditch is just a small part, but the whole world building is like that. Nothing is really clever or well thought out. Tge worst offender imo is goblet of fire. They have these dangerous ass trials for children, fine. They keep saying how dangerous it was. They fight dragons, they put children under water, guarded by mean ass mermaids. One of them almost drowned, and only didn't because Harry broke the rules. At the end of the whole thing, cedric died and everyone was devastated and shocked that a kid would die. Like motherfucker that's the whole point.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 1 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I actually used to be on My university's quidditch team. Although since Rowling went mold to the walls on the transphobia, it's called Quadball. Quadball is really fun because the team roles are asymmetric in a way you don't get with most other sports. You usually only see that strict delineation of capabilities in video games. I was a beater, My job was to hit the enemy team with dodgeballs.

The best part of Harry Potter to make fun of, though, is the severed slave heads dressed in Santa hats and beards

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 points 1 week ago (6 children)

i mean, they're never apolitical, the only difference is whether the author understands the points they're making.

like that andy weir interview where he says "there are no politics in my books". i was completely taken aback by that because his stories are so political and they're researched politics. they are big allegories that make salient points. but he's not written them that way. it's completely by accident, or so he believes.

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)

Same sort of problem with Quidditch. Whichever team gets the golden snitch automatically wins, so the whole game would realistically just be everyone trying to get it and ignoring everything else. JK is very bad at designing world rules. Maybe that's why she's so bad at comprehending reality as well.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

I know there's been a fair bit of discussion and I only skimmed it, but the main issue I could see is if one team actually ignored everything for the snitch, it's feasible the other team could get 15 goals literally for free before you actually succeed. But the video game nerfing the snitch tells you everything you need to know about whether it can be balanced at all.

[–] sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago

bro quiddich is ass.

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[–] Wataba@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Joanne Rowling, folks.

Don't use her preferred name when she's an utter cunt destroying that right for others.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Joanne Karen Rowling

[–] RedRibbonArmy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Same goes for genocide Benjamin Netanyahu.

[–] Pman@lemmy.org 1 points 1 week ago

You mean Joanne Kunt Rowling?

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

I just say "that insufferable English bitch that isn't Margaret Thatcher".

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Not using Avada Kadavra in a wizard duel in which you intend to kill the other is like having a duel with guns with infinite ammunition and attempting to bludgeon the enemy with the stock or stab them with a bayonet instead without ever taking a shot.

There is a reason that every real fight Harry was in was just Avada Kadavra vs Expelliarmus. If you can just kill with an unbeatable curse and are willing to, you just kill. If you aren't willing to kill, your best recourse is removing their weapon before they kill you. It may be boring, but literally any other moves in a typical duel would be the sub-optimal at minimum, suicidal at worst.

[–] turmacar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Which is why it's bad writing.

"Unblockable killing spell" is the kind of thing that pops up on a middle school playground because every kid wants to have the trump card in make-believe and the last kid just cast Meteor.

Eragon is a contemporary-ish book and has killing magic that can kill normies by the dozens/hundreds, but other magic users have to do more than play rock-paper-nuclear-option.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I like to subscribe to the "magic makes it's users imbeciles" fan theory. (Though the truth is that JK just isn't all that bright).

It isn't that the killing spell is unblockable. Harry and his mom managed to block it twice. But apparently magicians in HP universe are just completely dumb and unwilling or incapable of innovation. That was spelled out clearly in book 1 where an elementary logic puzzle was seen a good way to protect the greatest treasure on earth.

Ron's dad, for example, lived in England. He could wander the muggle streets freely if he wanted to. He had a deep fascination of basic muggle items, yet he didn't just go to his local library to check out a book or log on to the internet to learn about things that were his passion.

[–] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought like, canonically, avada kedavra fucks up your soul or whatever everytime you use it and it slowly corrupts you or something

So it has a downside.

Also, to work, you have to be able to mean it and basically be a psychopath for it to even work right.

Isn't there explanations for why people dont just use it willy nilly?

[–] starchylemming@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

its also easily traceable and under dementor death penalty or something

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

Gives off the "Why didn't they just fly eagles into Mordor?" vibes.

That is a fucking fairy tale book for children and teens. What did you expect? Logical structure like in 1984 or something?

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