Yeah no fucking shit.
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They've been doing this for every election for quite some time now.
After Elon and DOGE, I doubt there will be a fair election until the whole voting system is rebuilt.
I mean obviously, they tried in 2020. But they're also very, very dumb. That being said, with the four years in-between, they may have figured out how to book a hotel room by now.
assuming if republicans even vote D , and the republicans rigged it anyways, would they accept the results.
Of course they are.
Nobody bothered to investigate how Donald Trump stole the 2024 presidential election, despite multiple prominent Computer Scientists and statisticians begging them to investigate bullet ballots in swing counties that usually total under .5% suddenly jumping to 9-12% with literally no earthly explanation that wasn't 'foul play'.
Why wouldn't they steal the Mid-terms? Especially after fucking over so many republicans to the point where it wouldn't be a blue wave, it would be a goddamn apocalyptic tidal wave for the GOP.
It's not like they have a member of the doge team who deleted all his previous work, some of which was voting software verification - including a program to create bullet ballot votes.
Or the database of swing voters gained from a fake lottery...
So, when I search on this, I can only find reference to a single guy, Stephen Spoonamore, making this claim. You said "multiple prominent Computer Scientists and Statisticians"; do you have a link for that?
This was one of the first results for “computer scientists petition to check 2024 vote”, not sure how you missed it.
I remember this. The petition was more about security assurance than a specific accusation, and the letter from Spoonamore was sus because he is a known attention-seeking alarmist (and sole-proprietor of a cybersecurity consulting company that he pumps a lot).
Spoonamore cried wolf too many times to be taken very seriously, but also his “analysis” is weirdly unspecific just like his deflection in interviews. It honestly felt like those “security alert!” popups from fake antivirus software, if that makes sense, like the point isn’t security just the alert.
Ultimately the gold standard for verification is random sample hand counts, and several rounds of these confirmed software tallies within very small margins. That basically closes the case, because if they “hacked” the hand counts, it would mean the conspiracy went well beyond tampering with voting software.
That has nothing to do with the claims about bullet ballots though. You made it sound like there were a bunch of people all united behind a single, specific claim about a statistical anomaly, and as far as I know that's simply not accurate.
I had intended to cite bullet ballots as an example, not at the unifying theory. My apologies.
And the dem voters will wait for their reps to do something about it, or wait for the system/ party to present the perfect candidate before getting off their fat asses to the poll stations.
So let me get this straight, Trump supposedly won the last election, and their response is that our elections can't be trusted because they are rigged. So they're basically saying the result of our last election wasn't legitimate
Do not make the mistake of taking fascists at their word. They're lying to you; like when they talk about being very concerned about the budget, but then turn around and blow money out of their ass to all of their pals and donors and on special vanity projects that benefit nobody. They're bullshitters, almost all of them; you can tell the true believers, like Lindell, because they're the ones that get thrown under the bus. They know the election wasn't stolen, they just hope that you'll take their bullshit in good faith.
Agreed. I’ve resolved to just call them liars to their face now. No sense in wasting the energy to reason with someone who doesn’t value reason. If there’s an audience, yes, I’ll reason for the face to reveal the lying but I owe a liar themselves nothing for the ground they stand on.
States should use new machines and not allow starlink connections if they want to have legit future elections
Trump said the 2016 election was rigged, and he won that one. He claimed that the 2024 election was rigged before it had even occurred. This is just the playbook. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't have to in order to work.
He has openly admitted the election was rigged several times, they’re saying they can’t be trusted because they can’t be trusted there’s just nothing we will be allowed to do about past rigged elections
They've been claiming it since 2016, repeating it over enough time and it just becomes normal to the public, even if it's a lie. So when it actually happens, it just sounds like business as usual.
Be suspicious of anyone who tells you that voting is going to solve this problem. They aren't going to let you vote them out of power.
By all means, vote if you can! But if the only thing you do is vote, you will lose.
Voting caused the problem, it can solve it too. But here's the thing: for voting to solve the problem, you have to actually do it and play the game.
Every 20-25 years some rightwing psycho wins and inflicts some horror on us because new voters don't remember what happened the last time people said "both sides are the same". You kids know that whole Iraq war and torture thing was avoidable, right? So was Reagan's annihilation of the middle class.
Bush was forced onto us by the Supreme Court in a judicial coup that basically set us on our current trajectory. Trump has never won more than 50% of the vote, even this time around he only got 49.9%
In a democratic country this shit wouldn't happen. Elections have always been dubiously free and fair in this shithole.
I'm in my 30s, hardly a kid. I've watched this shithole country get worse and worse my whole life, and I am beyond convinced that we will only stop it with political actions that go far beyond the ballot box. You're going to have to get your hands dirty.
If we're allowed to vote for the next president you might as well, I know I will, but stop pretending it is nearly good enough.
this overly simplistic and completely ignores the impact of things like voter suppression or propaganda or narrative control
Voting is the bare minimum.
If they let us vote again then we might as well do it, but at the rate things are going they might just rig the election if they don't cancel it.
Or use it to keep track of who isn’t supporting the new regime and come after you. I’ve always been very pro-voting but it doesn’t feel safe to be voting anymore and I’m not going to risk my safety for a rigged election
My hope is that congress gets huge wins (despite the very expected interference from the GOP.) A Dem congress should absolutely clog the system and start the battles that this FUCKING inept GOP congress should be doing.
Trump is overreaching for power that belongs to congress and is ignoring the judicial branch. Someone has got to rein him in or we won’t make it to 2029.
Look at the Dem voting pattern in the past few months. They're part of the problem. They won't save you.
If that’s true, nothing will. We need not only Dems, but independents and GOP voters that realize they’ve been swindled.
Exactly. The public needs to be in support of this. Relying on Dems will not help. They are not on your side either.
Voting won't save you.
Voting also isn't the only option.
Recall that there are four boxes of liberty.
I know ballot box, soap box, and ammo box. Is the fourth one a coffin box?
You forgot the jury box i.e. jury nullification
"Eyy what murders? I didn't see no murder. Brian Thompson just fell on some bullets."
There's a saying about the western front of WW2, "The war was won with Soviet blood, British intelligence, and American steel" though over simplifying the whole affair and the contribution of the Czechs, Poles, Norwegians, Danes, Belgian, etcetera the point is still broadly true. I say this to point out that the destruction of fascists is a multifaceted operation and that decrying the use of a tool no matter how small is foolish.
Ideally we will be able to vote them out and then get to lynching the sons of bitches, but only using two tools is unlikely. But well as Cincinnatus once said "Hope for peace, Prepare for war".
I think that saying is just the British patting themselves on the back. It was mostly just Soviet blood that liberated the camps.
It ain't British Intelligence was fucking nuts and after awhile just devolved into trolling the Axis because they were that far ahead. Same thing with American war materials it gave both the Soviets and British enough slack to focus on what was wanted rather than what was needed, without M3 Lees the British may not have had enough tanks for North Africa and without the M3 Trucks the Soviets would've wasted materials building trucks rather than tanks.
That won't be enough.
The point of a speed bump is to slow the car down and fuck up the underside if they don't. Same applies here
Of course they are. That's what they do. What do you think all the election denialism is about? Every accusation is a confession.
Every accusation is a confession. With receipts.
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
implying they ever stopped
Right, I’m sure this has been in the works for a long time.
Duhh