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My latest phone is a Fairphone 6 with e/OS preinstalled, so it came degoogled and easily repairable out of the box. I intend to keep it for at least a decade. I cant imagine a feature I would be willing to upgrade for, so I'll probably keep it longer than that.
I'm just gonna switch to linux for my next phone. It's past time.
I did NOT buy an Android phone for anything Google, what they have said or anything else. I have one because I got a good deal and I can remove everything Google about it. And this deal gives me a new phone biennially while keeping the same monthly price which means I can give my previous phone to the family member of friend who is most in need of one and would be most affected economically by having to buy one themselves. I'd easily choose and iPhone over an Android one if they were similarly locked, I think Google (Alphabet) is the more evil of the two, while both are of course not good at all. That's not the case though, yet at least.
GrapheneOS would be great, if it would just support 1000x the hardware it does now. With the extremely limited hardware it does support it's practically as good as useless for the vast majority of Android users
I'd switch tomorrow, would if I could
Most hardware doesn't support the fundamental security requirements of GrapheneOS, so that will never happen.
Look into things like /e/OS or Nothing Phone on the Android side, and the various Linux options (Jellyfish OS is, I think, the most advanced).
Root n ROM I guess
I consider myself pretty computer savvy but phones have always pissed me off. I got a Galaxy S22 Ultra because I wanted stylus and high refresh rate, but I consistently regret giving Samsung my business.
I have the SM-S908U1, what are realistically my best options here? I can't really afford an upgrade right now.
You should wait for the GrapheneOS Motorola phones next year. The Moto Signature looks like an excellent phone so something like that with GrapheneOS would be the phone of 2027.
Unfortunately, for the specs and special stylus integration feature, Samsung has cornered the market. You can try any other phone and purchase a simple stylus that is just a rubber tip on a plastic stick, but it won't have the pressure features and quick action button that the S-pen has.
Apple pencil pro on an iPad pro is the only device with commensurate features.
Moto G and the TCL phone are both low buold quality and mid spec devices compared to the Samsung S Ultras
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GrapheneOS doesn't give a fuck
Really glad I decided to switch to GrapheneOS. My next phone will be a Motorola for sure.
I would be so happy if the phone they release with graphene is the Razr, honestly might start work on it myself.
So what do we do when they start making it harder and harder to install graphene?
Getting a motorola cause they explicitly will be supporting GrapheneOS.
But all of that is just a stepping stone. As soon as I deem linux phones to be usable as a daily driver for me, I won't look back.
We still don't know anything about the phones' specifications, prices.
Ironic that graphene is developed most for pixel phones
Not really. They develop for Pixel because those devices have the most secure hardware available for developing a modified Android OS.
motorola makes great phone. I remember my 1st Android phone, after years on iOS, was the Moto Z Play. That thing can last a week with light usage, or 3 days with medium usage on a single charge. Also remember those moto mods? Motorola had like speaker mod and even a mini projector that you can just snap on the phone.
They made better phones before Google bought them so they could strip all their patents before dumping the remaining husk on Lenovo for 15% of its previous value.
My tech brothers, how easy is it to install graphene on my pixel 7? Will my banking app (Barclays, UK) still work? Tia
super easy and i never had a app not work instantly including bank stuff
If you have location and mobile data on they're generally less likely to fuss if you do ever have an issue.
Barclays: This app only runs in the owner profile and secure app spawning may have to be disabled
https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
The installation is super easy - barely an inconvinience. However you need to set up everything on your phone manually - no easy transfer from stock Android afaik.
sign up to a 3rd party password manager on your original device so you will have them available there too
Its so easy with their web installer, takes like 5 minutes. If you go to their website they have a list of bank apps that work. Mine does and no issues. Ive been using Graphene for a couple years and can never go back.
The only thing I'd like to note is, their guide says to use a high quality USB quality. Most times I've seen that, it's been completely irrelevant. With the Graphene installation, the only hard part of the process was finding the USB cable that came with my phone. Once I did, all other obstacles disappeared.
I support spreading this message, and fuck Google, but...what's actually happening is they are making harder to install apps, not removing the ability to do so.
After massive pushback. Their original plan was basically full control. It still is, but they'll allow you to install something if you ask nicely first.
The other issue is the timing. They can claim this is for security all they want, but it was announced suspiciously close to the courts ruling that Google needed to open up their ecosystem to other app stores. This is a blatant attempt to keep control of the app ecosystem by forcing devs to go through Google regardless of where they intend to release.
They can claim this is for security all they want, but it was announced suspiciously close to the courts ruling that Google needed to open up their ecosystem to other app stores.
The courts ruled that users need to be able to install competing app stores without any warning, which is different from how it works today. Obviously allowing installation without any warning would be a boon to malware authors, so they added a way for third party app developers (including app store app developers) to verify themselves and distribute apps outside the Play Store without a warning on installation. Now Epic can verify with Google and distribute its app on its own website without needing to tell the user how to dismiss a scary warning, and the same is true for Safeway and Proton and other developers that might want to self distribute. On top of that, now GrapheneOS can implement its own verification system using the same OS-level APIs. Maybe app authors can distribute apps themselves for users of GrapheneOS by registering their repo with a verification system that runs an automated security audit on the repo and ensures reproducible builds.
Now that there is a way to distribute apps safely outside the system app store, that probably prompted them to look at what was causing malware problems with the current unverified app installation flow, and they came up with that system. Saying it's some massive conspiracy won't force them to change their minds, especially since there aren't enough users who care to make a dent in their revenue. Proposing a less onerous way to stop malware and bringing that in front of a judge on behalf of the app developers who are harmed will.
Google is "only" locking you out of using your phone for 24 hours...
For extra security, let's make it a week. Let's make it a month. Let's make it a year.
That's what they're doing *so far. * I very strongly doubt this is the last time the deal is altered.
Ok? Its still my phone, my hardware, and now I have to wait 24 hours before I can install wahtever I want on the phone that I goddamn paid for with my own goddamn money.
Also, let's not pretend as if they not eventually going to go back to their original plan once the initial backlash dies down and people get used to the new norm.
Stallman was right. Software absolutely needs to be free.