Fediverse

What makes you so sure the moderators are the problem, and not users? Maybe assholes gravitate toward certain instances, or people just don't bother to check whether an instance's rules match how tend to they post.

its so funny how people complained about blahaj, the trans instance yet they dont ban very high at all, i suspect its alot of transphobic comments being directed towards the instance that are getting people banned.

blahaj is up there likely due to signicant transphobia too.

dbzer0 literally has a community aimed at calling out power tripping mods, and instance admins regularly comment there to call out power tripping mods.

I've never have been worried by being banned there by just normal posting.

As they have already told you. This does not take into account the amount of harassment that some instances and communities have to endure.

I don't really see a problem with an instance banning large numbers of users.

The ability to make exclusive spaces is part of the fediverse's design. Suppose a queer space kept getting flooded with homophobic users, or a Muslim space got a bunch of people shitting on their religion, or something like that. Naturally, such spaces would have a higher number of bans. That doesn't necessarily show an "echo chamber" especially since users of such communities may be federated with other communities. People complain about censorship on .ml creating an "echo chamber" but half the time I'm arguing or discussing things on other turfs like .world.

The idea that those sorts of enclaves or exclusive spaces shouldn't exist, as is implied with the framing here, is to impose what us evil, dastardly "authoritarians" sometimes call "the tyranny of structurelessness." No one would have a space to discuss things outside of the most prominent, hegemonic view, which would more easily sideline and overwhelm other perspectives.

As an example, I once frequented an utter cesspool on Reddit called r/CapitalismVSocialism, which was created and promoted by An-caps and where that perspective was prominent (though not exclusive). I found it was virtually impossible to have a discussion with anyone about anything, because even if you weren't talking to an An-cap, they were always there waiting to latch on to some turn of phrase and use it against you, and everyone was too preoccupied with countering their nonsense to reach any kind of high-level discussion. I eventually got fed up with that and found that my beliefs were more challenged by going to explicitly leftist spaces because we had shared assumptions and were speaking the same language, and didn't feel the need to be as defensive. I was never going to be convinced of anything by the An-caps and all talking to them accomplished was pissing me off.

The fediverse's design is actually quite brilliant, because you can have a space to discuss things substantively among like-minded people while at the same time interacting with other groups.

I'm not even a real instance anymore, how did I make the list 😆

But also, you should see the local numbers haha

lemmy=# select count(distinct other_person_id) from mod_ban where mod_person_id in (1, 2,288);
 count 
-------
  9792
(1 row)

I wonder what happens when I hit 10,000?

What happens if we do a ratio of bans vs number of users?

We get a graph that compares two unrelated values?

Unless this data is purely internal instance user bannings, 'Per capita' has no effective meaning. As the pawb.social case shows: it's all one user with multiple communities who regularly bans waves of sockpuppet brigades. Even the people catching strays or otherwise goes to show it has nothing to do with 'the furries'.

Likewise I wager the SJW bans are effectively one community banning essentially one user who periodically spams accounts.

What is it about dbzer0 that makes them such prolific banners?

That whole painfully public fued against db0 over their stance on zionism may have something to do with it. Like the fake neo-nazi shit being spread against db0 that was just going on this week. It's a wild question to have in light of all that, quite frankly.

After hearing for years about how Blahaj is the worst and you will get banned for anything and everything because the mods are so hypersensitive: lol. lmao.

I have no idea about pawb.social, but it's almost certainly heavily bloated by bans for downvoting on AI communities on dbzer0 (and maybe some other communities).

I also imagine places like lemmy.world are distorted due to them receiving the lions share of new communities, many of which end up abandoned - whereas smaller, more 'community' instances are stricter and will delete troll/spam/abandoned communities.

Well it makes complete sense. ML, dbzero and the furries are instances that committed to upholding their code of conducts which moderates and bans people for antisocial behaviors like transphobia and racism for example, while instances like world and sjw are known to rarely if ever ban or moderate people for things like that to the point instances like beehaw had to defederate from them so they wouldnt get swarn by their unmoderated users

I don't think this is terribly meaningful. Do you take into account unmoderated communities? Some communities and mods are also more ban happy than others, so one instance can have communities that very rarely ban and ones that ban a lot, and how big those communities are will also vary.

A more meaningful analysis would try to measure the impact of ban-happy communities by adjusting for their size/activity or would compare individual communities.

Edit: Some communities or mods also get harassed a lot and therefore need to be more ban happy (like womens stuff), but I don't think accounting for that would be within the scope of what you're looking at, but it's worth being aware of.

Dbzero do not tolerate zionism and zionism apologia

Alternative view: Why is dbzer0 the only instance that holds people accountable for their actions? Why are all other instances letting things slide?

Interesting that you chose ban when your favorite move is to just delete users you don't like from the database on piefed.social and won't show up in this dataset. Of course, you won't see this reply because of that.

I feel like this makes sense for very politically focused spaces, especially for less "mainstream" ideas like db0's anarchist communities, just cause not every community will allow arguments about their stance, and even ones that do will see more arguments turn into flame wars and incivility than communities for which there simply isnt as much for heated arguments to start over, especially when the arguments arent always something "new" to that space and might just be someone from outside noticing and saying "your ideology is bad because [insert reason that community has probably heard enough before to be tired of]".

Am a bit curious about why pawb is so high though, Ive not really noticed much of the hate that furries sometimes would get on other platforms (I guess it could be because theyre all banned but I doubt it, because that wouldnt hide it from communities outside of pawb). The instance administration has always felt rather reasonable whenever Ive seen like instance announcements or defederation decisions or such too, at least by my standards. Itd be interesting maybe to see what communities these bans tend to come from and what reasons are given, just looking through the modlog doesnt seem to help much there given that it doesnt seem to let one sort by instance.

I just had my first reprimand and banning from a community for the first time in the 3 or so years I’ve been on Lemmy.

I don’t regret it.

I had no idea that Lemmy.ml believed the Uhygur genocide was a hoax. I decided to block all of Lemmy.ml as a result.

We have dedicated anti ai trolls who go and get banned from dozen of genai comms, make alts then go and get banned again. We have serial harassers who make dozen of accounts and go and spew bigotry. Your methodology is so flawed, it's laughable. Did you even check the age of the accounts being banned?The amount of comments? The amount of downvotes? Cross-reference with other instance bans? Check if their own instance banned them? Did you have any amount of rigor before throwing out your half-assed conclusions?

There's lies, damn lies, and statistics...

Here's an explanation of the pawb.social numbers:

This is a pretty disappointing post Rimu. It appears very out of character from your usual content and feels like a bit of a hit piece.

Also why post it to !fediverse@lemmy.world when you have !fediverse@piefed.social?