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My parents told me that in China, they get paid once a month. And its a common story where employers refuse to pay their employees, and authorities kinda suck at doing anything about it...

Sometimes they ask you to 试工 (trial work?) for like a day (or whatever period of time they ask you to do), then they just say your performance is bad or whatever excuse, refuse to hire you, then you leave empty handed, and basically did work for free. So when my mom was was looking for work, I heard her ask "so just to make sure: I do get paid for today regardless of if you hire me or not right" (that was here in the US, at a store run by another ethnic Chinese), which is when she warned me about the shenanigans in China...

Anyways:

Here in the US, it's always been weekly pay

I don't think they ever had an issue with employers refusing to pay over here.

In China, my mom told me that sometimes they delay your pay for like a few days to sometimes even almost a month late... like its routine...

that China stuff was before 2010 btw

So about the overtime...

There's no such thing as the 1.5x bonus for time over 40 hours in China...

Sometimes they have performance-based bonus pay.

Like for example: my mom worked in electronics sales (think a sort of "Best Buy" type of thing) and like get commissions for making more sales... that type of stuff...

Afaik, there has always bonus pay for overtime for the employers my parents worked for here in the US. (I mean unless you are talking about those sketchy "under the table stuff" which my parents never did cuz they don't wanna mess the IRS.)

So hows the situation in your country? Is there like routine delayed pay or those shenanigans?

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[–] BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Midwest, USA. The last time i was hourly, I was in the UAW. We were paid weekly. Overtime was 1.5x, Sundays were 2x. Holidays were an extra 1x, so a Friday holiday would be 2x. A Saturday holiday would be 2.5x, and a Sunday holiday would be a glorious 3x.

Since I've been salary. One place has been paid twice a month and the rest have been every two weeks. One place had what they called "bank hours", where anything over 45 hours (our base week) were put into your hours bank. This could be used as additional PTO. The cap for the bank was 60 hours. After that, you were paid out straight time with your overage. Another place paid out straight time over 45 (our base week was 40 hours) that pay period, no bank.

Where I am at now is just straight salary, but I rarely work over 40. And the pay is still significantly more than anywhere else I have worked. Which makes me wonder if those other companies knew they were over working us, and our base salaries were based on the assumption of how much OT we would be working.

[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

In France and Germany you are paid monthly, by bank transfer (for most jobs). Tax are automatically accounted for, your pay slip will show the Brute/Brutto (what the employers pay) and Net/Netto (what you receive on your bank account).

In both countries, trial period must be paid. If you come 1 day to work and they don't want you. They must pay you for the 1 day of work.

In Germany, how good things are can vary. I always had a good situation because I work in the automotive industry. For most my career my contract was "Tarifvertrag" which means it is compliant with the rules of the workers union IG-Metall, this includes the salary grid. The union is negotiating the salary increase for millions of employees on a yearly basis. You stamp in and out of work. Your work time is counted to the minute. Overtime is accumulated in a time account that you can recover as paid holiday or paid at overtime rate. Working Saturdays and Sundays is paid a special rate as well (not sure, I think it is 150% Saturday and 200% Sunday). After trial period, resignation is 10 weeks notice for both the employee and employer. They must pay you all of your overtime when you leave, and let you use all the holidays you are due.

If your profession is covered by a strong workers union, things are pretty good. Things can pretty shitty if you are independent or working for a startup or hospitality business.

[–] my_hat_stinks@programming.dev 4 points 8 hours ago

UK, there is no standard. I've seen last working day of the month, every second week, 28th of every month, once per week, last Friday of the month unless that Friday is also the last day of the month in which case it's the Friday before.

Hourly workers tend to be paid weekly or fortnightly and salaried workers tend to be monthly but as far as I know there's no real rules, you get whatever your employment contract says.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 18 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

So hows the situation in your country?

Monthly. Nearly 100%

Germany here.

Payday is usually written in your contract. It can vary from the beginning of the current (!) month to the middle of the following month.

Workers have very strong rights if the company does not do it properly: They can go to court immediately, and they don't even need a lawyer in such cases. The courts are going to hear them, always, and are known as generally favorable towards the workers.

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

To add to that, things can be a bit messier in small companies, both for good (boss has a good year and just gives you money / sends well-paid work your way) and more often for bad.

I have to admit I did " free trial work" and was not hired afterwards, twice. First time I was essentially just hanging out with the other workers for a day, to see if I was a good fit (apparently not), second time I actually helped for a few days, and then their preferred hire did agree to join. Got paid under the table though, and I was unemployed, bored and the job was fun, so I am not too salty.

All my proper long term jobs were with larger companies with strong unions and collective agreements though. Can recommend, it may not look necessary if you make it past the "lower ranks", but I hate negotiating and "job x is rated as pay level y" makes things so much easier

[–] getFrog@piefed.social 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Interesting, I'm in Germany too and I only recently learned that 'Trial work' without a contract is actually completely illegal (thanks random NDR youtube clip!). But I guess companies know some random loopholes around it?

[–] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago

No, it's just illegal. But so is paying someone in cash while he receives ALG, so yeah.

[–] homura1650@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

US here. I've only ever seen bi-weekly and twice-monthly.

Overtime is a given (legally required) for hourly work; however there are a lot of shenanigans employers do around timecards that does not get nearly as much enforcement as it should.

It also typically takes about a month from when you start working to when you get your first paycheck. Paychecks normally come between 1 and 2 weeks after the pay period ends; and your first pay check tends to be extra delayed. Having said that, the one time this was a problem for me, I was able to walk into the HR office and get a hand written check on the spot (no clue how common that is).

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

While I completely agree, to be clear, there’s no requirement for overtime pay for salaried workers, and this is widely abused by companies

My brother works in a unionized industry and is the only exception I know: as a salaried employee he is not part of the union but he does get some union-driven benefits …. Not that he’ll ever admit that

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 points 10 hours ago

UK monthly is probably the most common but I have been paid weekly or fortnightly before.

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 hours ago

In Spain you get paid at the end of the month, usually between the 25th and the 28th, depending if your bank is the same as your employer or not and if there's a weekend in there.

Overtime is counted by hours and is added. In the sectors I'm familiar with it is regulated and can't exceed a certain number of hours in a year. That doesn't mean that people don't do much overtime but the company needs to do some acrobatics and sometimes is not worth it.

There are trial periods where either the employer or the employee can end the contract without penalty for the company or having to justify it and the employee can quit without giving a 15 day notice.

[–] Spesknight@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

Worked in Italy and Germany. In both the pay is monthly. In Italy the day is fixed while in Germany is more "by the end of the month" but not a fixed day.

[–] Libb@piefed.social 5 points 12 hours ago

France: salaries are paid on a monthly basis in most situations.

[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I work for a US company but I'm in Canada. I get paid bi weekly. Never missed a paycheck yet. After ~ 10 years.

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Not sure how you got the impression that, "here in the US, it's always weekly pay." Semi weekly or bi-monthly is more common.

There are some delinquent employers and I'd say despite the illegality wage theft by an employer is considered a lesser crime by our justice system than stealing from your workplace.

[–] WongKaKui@piefed.ca 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Is rural America different?

My immediate family has only been to Brooklyn-NYC, and Philly

So maybe my experiences are limited... 🤷‍♂️

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 7 points 14 hours ago

No. It's more about your job/profession than where you're located.

[–] toebert@piefed.social 1 points 8 hours ago

UK, monthly. The day changes between employers but most have been around the end of the month.

I've never had overtime pay but I also never did overtime, not sure if it's a thing. I've had on-call though, payment for it depends per employer.

[–] farmgineer@nord.pub 1 points 8 hours ago

Japan: monthly for most salaried jobs, anywhere from the same day to monthly (longest by law) for other jobs.

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

US. Paid twice a month. My current employer payment system is fully automated, so my paycheck shows up at the same time down to the minute. I'm also paid a set salary and expected to work 40+ hours "until the work is done" so balancing my responsibilities is up to me. Lots of so-called "professional" or "white-collar" jobs are like this. Specifically, I'm an engineering manager.

Every job I can think of has paid twice a month, even going back to minimum wage jobs I had in high school.

I've seen signs for jobs that pay daily, they are all for entry-level jobs like for a fast food restaurant position.

[–] awmwrites@lemmy.cafe 7 points 14 hours ago

Currently in the US, my full time job pays me every two weeks (May is a three paycheck month for us). It's a professional level job, but we're not overtime exempt, so I only work 40 hours a week or I need to take flex time to balance it out the next week. I sometimes work 9 or 10 hour days, but that just means I get to leave early on Friday.

My part time tutoring job pays once a month, I turn in teaching reports at the end of the week and they use that to calculate hours.

When I was teaching in China I'd get paid on the first of the month, never had any problems with delays, but that might be owed to being a foreign teacher.

When I was in Korea they'd pay twice a month, with the only delay being the first paycheck where they forgot to take down my banking information and the last paycheck that I had to fight HR for.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

It largely depends on the employer. In the US, I've been paid weekly, every other week, and monthly.

As for overtime, again, it depends on the employer and the jurisdiction.

Some employers absolutely forbid overtime. Federal requirements state anything over 40 hours in a week is paid at nothing less than 1.5x the hourly rate.

But some employers, states, and industries have their own rules. I worked at a place that paid OT for anything more than 10 hours in a day, or 40 hours in a week and paid double time for anything after the 7th day in a row.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I've only ever been paid weekly or bi-weekly (as in every other week, not twice a week).

There is work on commission usually in sales. So you sell a thing, you get a percentage of the item's sale price as a bonus. There are also tips, but that can work differently depending on the specific location; some places try to pool it all together and split evenly with management taking a cut but some other places this is illegal.

Of course I also have yet to work a job that wasn't enganging in wage theft, either. Which is either super bad luck on my part, or it's just a massive fucking issue. (hint: it's a massive fucking issue)

[–] Elextra@literature.cafe 1 points 10 hours ago

Yes, I was also going to comment that commissions based sales are still a thing here in US.

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

I get paid every two weeks and if that deposit doesn't hit my account then they can kiss my ass because I don't do shit for free

[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Monthly. Either the 15th or the 25th every month depending on the company you work for.

Over time depends on the job. In my case Office hours are 8-17, one hour lunch. If I'm asked to work 06:00-08:00 or 17:00-20:00 on a weekday it's 1.5x pay and 1x time off. Weekends and night is 2x pay and 1x time off.

There are occasional scams and non payments. It's dealt with fairly severely.

[–] StillAlive@piefed.world 1 points 10 hours ago

India, salaried employee, once a month.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Norway: Monthly.

Overtime is mandated by law: Starts at 50%, increased to 100% once past a few hours (4h) or later than a specific time (1800 or on sundays). I may remember those numbers incorrectly, but that's the gist of it.

Some temp jobs via Manpower and the like pay on a weekly or biweekly basis instead.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

In Minnesota, it seems to be almost universal for us to get paid bi-weekly. Most are on Friday, but my oddball employer ends the workweek on a Tuesday.

Wage theft in MN is much more subtle. It's very uncommon for a check to be late like that, in my experience. What employers will do instead is:

  • Force you to work off the clock
  • Force you into tipping pools or stealing tips
  • Make paycheck deductions
  • Not paying final wages
  • Paying subminimum wages
  • Worker misclassification
[–] abc@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

What's MN? Is that Montenegro?

[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 2 points 12 hours ago

MN is the postal abbreviation for Minnesota in the USA.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Here in the US, it's always been weekly pay

They never trusted their company to make it through the month?

They never trusted their boss to remember their faces after the weekend?

Or they never trusted themselves to have anything left after the weekend?

:-)

[–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Ontario, Canada

Here in the US, it's always been weekly pay

There is no required pay frequency. I haven't personally been paid monthly, but it is allowed..

I don't think they ever had an issue with employers refusing to pay over here.

Trial shifts are a thing here, especially for service or kitchen jobs. It's illegal, but many people don't know their rights.

I've had problem try to not pay me after I quit. I had to take them to the labour board.

How often do you read about people being asked to clock out before they leave? Or only getting paid as long as re store is open and having to clean after? I feel like that's a very common

In China, my mom told me that sometimes they delay your pay for like a few days to sometimes even almost a month late... like its routine...

I've been paid late in Ontario. I've known people who had pay cuts because the company was t doing well.

There's no such thing as the 1.5x bonus for time over 40 hours in China...

I'm an engineer. As such, I am not covered by the employment standards act and my employer is not obligated to pay me to for overtime.

Sometimes they have performance-based bonus pay.

Like for example: my mom worked in electronics sales (think a sort of "Best Buy" type of thing) and like get commissions for making more sales... that type of stuff...

That's not uncommon at all. Some jobs are 100% commission.

Nothing to described is unheard of in Canada/the States. I'm kind of waiting for the "SIKE I WAS DESCRIBING THE US ALL ALONG" but figured I'd comment in case it was useful to anyone.

[–] WongKaKui@piefed.ca 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Nothing to described is unheard of in Canada/the States. I’m kind of waiting for the “SIKE I WAS DESCRIBING THE US ALL ALONG” but figured I’d comment in case it was useful to anyone.

This isn't some trick question. I was born in Guangzhou, China. My knowledge of these employement stuff from my parents experiece in Taishan and Guangzhou (there as Taishan Hukou-holder migrant workers, so basically second class residents), as as for the US, its from Brooklyn-NY and Philly...

Which might be kinda limited in scope...

Its kinda interesting both US and China has these "grass greener on the other side" type of people...

We as a species are so similar no matter where we come from

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

"psych" is the word you were looking for.

[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I've seen several variations of it. Since it's slang, there's no formal proper spelling.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

You realize that the expression means "I psyched you out" meaning 'I used psychology to get you to believe something untrue.'

Sike belongs in the same category as people that use "walla" when they mean "voila". Or saying that sone thing "peaks their interest" when theyvmean "piques"

[–] abc@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 12 hours ago

In Australia, once per fortnight is pretty standard

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Most of the time in the US, if you are paid hourly, you get paid every other week. If you are salaried, you are paid twice a month. There are exceptions so don't consider it universal

[–] WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today 1 points 12 hours ago

Maybe it's just my experience, but it seems to me that's how it used to be. Over the past couple decades there's been a transition to many more jobs paying weekly - at least the non-salaried ones.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 1 points 14 hours ago

In the United States, how frequently you get paid is not related to your location so much as it is to your industry. A lot of public jobs are paid once per month. Typical private jobs will pay twice per month. Neither of those are a hard and fast rule. Minimum wage(ish) jobs are more likely to pay weekly.

[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

In the UK, wages and salaries are notoriously low, to the point where getting a uni degree is a waste of time for most people because outside of specific professions you earn literally the same amount as minimum wage. Im a lot of cases the salary allows employers to pay less because it's considered different to a wage.

Min. Wage rose recently from like £10.56 per hour to £12.71 an hour [$14.27 and $17.18 respectively]

So a short while ago, average wage was around £11/hr and average salary would be maybe £22,000-25,000 a year ($29,739.82-$33,788).

Now it would be maybe 13£, not sure what average salary is but probably the same.

In America this would be considered a disgustingly low salary. So why so low?The reason our salaries are this low is not just because of funding the NHS, but because we have a huge portion of our population unemployed and thus needing welfare support, which comes straight out of the money businesses have to pay people with. And some other reasons - for instance the government spends a huge amount on processing asylum and immigration claims (of which there's an extraordinary amount given the size of the country). It's not anti immigration to to say this - it's just very very poorly thought out how much money is dedicated to the legal fees and bureaucratic fees of holding immigrants and refugees in one place and not letting them further into the country.

There is 1 case of an entire town (Dudley, west midlands) taken over by organised crime. Entire high streets of some places are just money laundering fronts, which does sap some money out of the economy, with almost nothing spent there eventually ending up in tax revenue. But also those shops would be empty otherwise.

Britain has the most expensive electricity in the world, with governments continuously investing huge amounts of money intk closing down existing power stations (coal, gas et cet) to open up wind power and solar power. I don't really have a problem with this but they did go heavy on it and nuclear would have been better; it's undeniabke that this had massive effects on the overhead costs for everyone.

The government also expends a huge amount of money to protect/dignify the lives of criminals. Whereas america woild execute someone who raped and killed 5 childen, the uk would instead give them a new identity and a free house after 5 years in prison, and thsn every time someone finds out that they live next door to this infamous criminal, the uk buys them a new house and a new identity and moves them to another part of the country.

Because of the extent of organised crime in this country, they also, naturally, have to do this for the copious number of adult and child victims, moving families of people to different parts of the country. To save costs they have decided to use one specific town to dump them all in (won't name it here) which also costs huge amounts of money. Because like criminals, they need new identities, new homes, new jobs and relocation costs

Because of t r a d i t i o n we do stupid stuff like pay for our politicians to get drunk at work - yes, taxpayers pay for unlimited free drinks for members of parliament, naintaining three aeperate very snazzy bars inside the building. This isn't much compared to the other things i listed, but it probably draws the wrong crowd to political power, wouldn't you say?

Ths UK economy is so ridicukously micromanaged thst you're basically not getting mkney unless the government has decided thst yes, you personally, deserve a job or deserve benefits. If they wanted to blacklist you from work it woild be very easy to do so and they have genuinely done this to people.

Labour is fixing the economy though, and may be the only party that actually understands how to untangle the web that the tory party wove. They're not even my favourite party so just know this isn't political bias.

[–] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Wages aren't low in the UK, the cost of living is high.

Source: in Vietnam at the moment, lots of people make about $400/month

[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

I mean I'm always hearing that they're relatively low compared to all economies of similar scale. Vietnam isn't that fair of a comparison

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Wages in the uk are low relative to the US, at least in my current company, and train tickets into London for those working in the office are ridiculous

[–] SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's the sort of metric used by those who do not want a reduction in the cost of living ... by putting the emphasis on wages it implies that people should 'work harder' or get 'better jobs'. That it's their fault, not that of people who control the cost of rent, transportation, etc

[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

It's pretty unrealistic to expect cost of living to come down in a lot of areas - house prices can come down, sure (they'll fight their hardest not to reduce them though) but we already pay less for food than we really should do because farms are supported by the government and supermarkets bully farmers into lower prices.

In the future we're not going to have petrol cars (or if we do, it will only get more expensive) and this country is going to be more and more dependent on green energy until the nuclear plants are finished, which must be about 20-23 years away still.

Gas will go up or stay relatively the same since the people of Britain block new fracking projects (fair enough?)

We've also been getting discounts on anything imported, historically, because of the EU and other trade deals which are fizzling out.

So yeah overall I don't think cost of living is ever going to come down. Even if there was a reorganisation of the county to a more effective form of communism, we'd still have very expensive energy and be very reliant on imports.

There's no bias in this, it's cause and effect.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I hate to tell you, but minimum wage in the US will get you about $15k a year. Median wages are higher, but not high enough to actually be livable.

[–] my_hat_stinks@programming.dev -1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Where are you getting your news? Wherever it is you should stop, you're being fed (and spreading) misinformation.

In the UK, wages and salaries are notoriously low

About 12-14th place worldwide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage https://www.worlddata.info/average-income.php https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?itemId=105

Im a lot of cases the salary allows employers to pay less because it’s considered different to a wage.

This is untrue. Minimum wage for salaried workers is calculated by average hours worked per pay period, if after dividing your pay by your average hours you are making less than minimum wage and your employer doesn't fix this you should report them immediately.

The reason our salaries are this low is not just because of funding the NHS,

This obviously doesn't make sense on the surface since NHS is paid for through taxes and not salary deductions so you seem to be making a tax argument instead (?), but regardless while per capita spending on health services in the UK is high compared to some other countries, it is far from the highest.

but because we have a huge portion of our population unemployed and thus needing welfare support

At ~4.2% it's middling by most measures, but I'd definitely prefer lower. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/unemployment-by-country

which comes straight out of the money businesses have to pay people with

I don't even know how to respond to that. You are aware that this is handled by the government and not private business, right? Is this just another roundabout way to complain about being taxed?

the government spends a huge amount on processing asylum and immigration claims (of which there’s an extraordinary amount given the size of the country)

Are you aware that support for refugees in the UK comes out of the aid budget which has been reduced from 0.7% of gross national income in 2021 to 0.5%, and further decreased to 0.3% by 2027? Less of your taxes are being spent on this category now.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9663/

Regardless, number of refugees is high but not extraordinarily so for the region. Speculation, but that's likely due to English being the de-facto lingua franca for international communication so asylum seekers are more likely to speak the local language.
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SM.POP.ASYS.EA?contextual=region&end=2024&locations=GB&start=2000

The issue here is mismanagement more than number of refugees, the UK government reportedly managed to spend $26,000 per person compared to most countries spend under $10,000. As mentioned above though, this is from the aid budget which has already been reduced, this mismanagement prevents foreign aid but does not decrease your salary.
https://www.cgdev.org/blog/costs-hosting-refugees-oecd-countries-and-why-uk-outlier


Barely two paragraphs in and this is already too long, if you want the rest of your comment to be taken remotely seriously you should at least add some sources.