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[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 7 points 17 hours ago

For a decade or two now, it's been pretty much assumed that everyone has an internet-connected, camera-equipped, browser-capable device in their pocket. Restaurants, banks, hospitals, employers and even government offices use QR codes and websites to get you to their menus, forms or services.

If ID is being tied to my mobile spy device, then I need my mobile spy device to be a right and not a luxury. $40-50 for a few years of validity, internet access provided at no cost, even if slow. I can have my luxury phone be where I'm 'anonymous', but I want the government to subsidize the mobile spy device if it's a mandatory expense. Even cheap phones cost a lot of money.

To be clear, I don't want ID tied to my phone, but it's gotten harder to exist without one, so it should be something we have access to with minimal friction.

Add food, water and shelter to that list, but you can't ask for them without a web browser.

[–] schuelermine@leminal.space 19 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You can install Google Play Services as a sandboxed app on GrapheneOS. That's not the issue. I believe the issue is that Google will use hardware attestation to check if the OS you're running it on is Google-approved.

[–] FG_3479@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

The Recaptcha QR code verification does work on GrapheneOS for now and there is a standard select the swuares fallback. Recaptcha is also entirely optional for a website and they can easily pick any competitor like hCaptcha if they want.

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 10 points 23 hours ago

eww recaptcha,spyware piece of shit.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sites need to stop using recaptcha. It's an unnecessary barrier to using a site and I often refuse out of principle.

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 5 points 23 hours ago

websites need to stick to hcaptcha or turnslide

[–] RoachFire@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Which websites does this actually affect? I use GrapheneOS and I've yet to be affected by this, granted I don't use many mainstream services.

[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago

i haven't seen this qr code thing yet, but recaptcha itself i see on many sites including archive.today

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Off subject a bit, what is the cheapest option for a graphene phone?

[–] nek0d3r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The most dead cheap supported option would be the Pixel 6, which looks like it sells starting at about $130 on Swappa. The security recommended minimum from Graphene team would be the Pixel 8, which lists starting at $220.

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 17 hours ago

Thanks for the reply, that is doable, the 220, or even a little better.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 17 hours ago

the oldest pixel that they support.

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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I doubt OP cares, but I use GrapheneOS with Google Play services. It's still better than regular Android. Don't give up because you can't get 100%

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[–] epicshepich@programming.dev 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most of the time, my phone's browser is disabled. It keeps me from using my phone too much. I understand not everyone is in a position where they can do that though.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago

Or even want that...

[–] FluorideMind@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Need to break up these monopolies. Really the root of all bad about capitalism.

[–] destiper@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 day ago (23 children)

The "root of bad" is capitalism itself, the logic of the system tends to create monopolies over time, as demonstrated in the game 'Monopoly'

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's the love of money that's the root of all evil, according to Jesus, but yeah, that's the driving force behind capitalism.

[–] magnetosphere@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

It’s the love of money that’s the root of all evil

Thank you for getting this quote right. Often, it’s shortened to “money is the root of all evil”, which hits different, and removes the element of personal responsibility. The “love of money” bit is important.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago

Exactly. Money as a tool is fine. You need a way to pay for stuff. It's the love of money, money as a goal in itself, far beyond what you'll ever need to live, that's the problem.

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[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wont visit a website if they require my identity. Other options out there.

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[–] libre_warrior@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Google reducing traffic for websites worldwide.

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