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[–] Scrogu@lemmy.zip 54 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Don't let perfection be the enemy of good. We both know morals is rarely why any government does anything.

[–] Mr_WorldlyWiseman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 23 minutes ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago)

I'm gonna go ahead and be first to say that palantir is not good. All the government partnerships with them clearly violate GDPR and the AI framework.

Like, it's good progress that the EU is talking about US companies now, but Palantir should 100% be mentioned in the same breath. At the least because many EU citizens aren't even aware that Palantir exists.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 43 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I really hope Canada follows suit, after Microsoft pulled that shit with the international criminal court they clearly cannot be trusted.

[–] EatYourOrach@lemmy.ca 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I hope so too.

In other news:

The Ontario government is welcoming a multi-billion-dollar investment from Microsoft, as part of the company’s previously announced $19 billion commitment to Canada. Through this investment, Microsoft is expanding its cloud and artificial intelligence (AI) infrastructure across Ontario, significantly scaling up the province’s computing capability while reinforcing Ontario’s position as a leader in the tech and digital economy. [...]

This expansion in Ontario will further bolster the reliability of its data infrastructure to strengthen the province’s domestic data capacity as more businesses begin to adopt and scale AI technologies. Through the company’s Community-First approach, Microsoft will also prioritize alignment with regional economic priorities, including advancing Ontario’s investment readiness and competitiveness, fostering the conditions for job creation and apprenticeships and laying the foundation for advanced AI innovation. (Apr 7, '26)

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Ontario is pretty much the Texassippi of Canada, though, right?

[–] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 3 hours ago

You're thinking of Alberta

[–] wampus@lemmy.ca 5 points 20 hours ago

Canada can't at the moment, and its government has continued becoming more and more entrenched in US tech throughout 2025 and 2026. So, prepare to be disappointed. Most Canadians enjoyed the lip-service a bit, but didn't really care -- even things like the "Buy Local" and travel stuff is easing off already, even as the USA continues down its tech oligarch backed authoritarian villain arch.

BC for example, is likely losing its last Canadian-backend financial institution. The financial system regulators, and all the banks/credit unions, are 100% captured by US tech. Wealthsimple's growing like crazy, built as a cloud-first business within US tech ecosystems, with deep ties to companies like Oracle and Amazon, investing heavily in San Fran tech startups etc. If you had a Data sovereignty type law come in, the entire financial sector, a "critical industry", would disappear.

[–] Griffus@lemmy.zip 62 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

PALANTIR is being peddled to several EU countries as a mass surveillance AI, and there seems to be little resistance from the governments. right wing govts would love to moniter ANTIFA dissidents.

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

I feel for that poor, struggling startup. And their cute little CEO is just so earnest!

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 12 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

+5 Freedom Points™ have been issued to your account.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The idea is to ban foreign providers. So Palantir would be included.

[–] Cavemanfreak@programming.dev 4 points 16 hours ago

I sure hope so. Sweden has been cozying up Thiel during this last four year term. It looks line this government is falling in the upcoming election, but I have no faith that the opposition will change anything there...

[–] aproposnix@piefed.social 100 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

But hey, the UK are cool with Palantir.

[–] benjirenji@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 minutes ago* (last edited 10 minutes ago)

Switzerland isn't. Palentir even sued the Swiss newspaper that reported on it.

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 1 points 2 hours ago

Same in Denmark.

[–] blackbeans@lemmy.zip 48 points 1 day ago

Same in the Netherlands. There's still a long way to go

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Australia here. Us too, even our supermarkets.

[–] finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuck 'em. I'm gonna render their surveillance useless.

I buy Quilton Toilet Paper because it loves my bum, and I'm not ashamed to admit it!

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 3 points 12 hours ago

Coles is your target. I don’t think the others are using them yet.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Same is Germany, already using it with the police

[–] pwalker@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 39 minutes ago* (last edited 38 minutes ago)

To be more precise, 4 of the 16 german states use it already (of course Bavaria one of the 4). Others are planning to test it and also federal police was probing it but this has been denied by the ministry so far and in many other states there is a lot of opposition to it. So the fight to data sovereignty and privacy continues. Also in 2018 the German supreme court set up high legal barrier to "automated data analysis" which makes it difficult to fully use Plantirs capabilities. You see a detailed analysis of the whole situation in Germany by CCC here: https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-blackbox-palantir#t=1621

[–] lysol@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Sweden as well...

[–] dovah@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

I believe AWS has already tried getting ahead of this by introducing their EU Sovereign Cloud offering. I can imagine regulators would still allow something like this, but time will tell.

The European commission is very much aware that a nominally EU company being owned by a US company is still a risk.

https://commission.europa.eu/document/download/09579818-64a6-4dd5-9577-446ab6219113_en?filename=Cloud-Sovereignty-Framework.pdf

[–] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago

Nha that’s not flying. The gag order thingy is still our problem with those « sovereign » clouds… it’s only sovereign until US gov decides it’s not anymore. See SCHREMS and his admirable endeavours.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah that's bullshit, Microsoft already terrified that that means shit for data sovereignty as the US government can access that data whenever they want, even when it's in Europe, even when it's government data.

So fuck those solutions, and any sovereignty claims on that site are just plain lies. The data is stored in Europe, but that is a mere technicality as the US government can view it at any moment they want

[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

How? Isn’t the whole point that data is stored in the EU for services that only operate inside the EU so they are not subject to US Judicial warrants or discovery?

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 4 points 16 hours ago

It was the idea. Law only states that data has to remain in EU, so Microsoft servers in Ireland is enough to fulfil that requirement. They still have exceptions on their TOS that they can move that data to where ever they want if there's a 'technical need' or whatever and there's exceptions on EU laws (or maybe it was a separate agreement) which spesifically permits this. And USA can still get any data as they have leverage over the 'main' company, so Microsoft and others just bend the knee and give whatever is requested, no matter where the data is physically stored.

And now as all kinds of as-a-service -platforms, AI solutions very much included, are apparently the best thing since sliced bread, everyone just jumps on the bandwagon and don't really worry about hanging themselves with a single provider nor it's country of origin.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

About fucking time. Make it quick.

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[–] stumu415@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Except for the Dutch where the government outsourced the Digid - our national ID and most personal information - to an American firm. Despite concerns from the parliament.

But the new PM is a lapdog to Trump because his mentor and former PM Rutte, is so far up Trump's ass, he can cut his tonsils.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago

I do agree with most of this, but calling Rutte the mentor of Jetten is simply not true.

Most of what you say is, though.

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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 10 points 21 hours ago

I mean they are untrustworthy. They have to share any data they have with the us no matter where it is if asked. These safeguards of the data must be in our country means nothing.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Cool!

Let me know when it's done, because so far Palantir etc are involved in the EU's plans.

I don't want the US and the EU to be against each other. I want the EU to realize that the US is being controlled by bad actors and to save us the way that the US saved Germany in 1945. As a citizen, I beg of you to check my logic.

[–] rwrwefwef@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

I want the EU to realize that the US is being controlled by bad actors and to save us the way that the US saved Germany in 1945. As a citizen, I beg of you to check my logic.

I didn't think much of it when Merz said something similar, but now it begs the question; are there people out there who believe that the Allies "saved" Germany? Like, with what they did to Dresden, and Berlin? What about Japan? If so, our "education" methods are quite throughout; they can make you believe something very different from what's in front of your eyes.

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

US didn't save Germany in 1945. It was a group effort

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It was. I wasn't suggesting that the Soviet Union and other Allied Powers shouldn't be included.

I am suggesting that there is a major failure currently and many Americans are hoping that the EU can support some kind of fix. I'm not even suggesting it is realistic, but we have no other options.

The EU is welcome to share that fix with the Soviet Union (....).

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[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 7 points 23 hours ago (8 children)

US saved Germany in 1945

Lol. 8 out of 10 nazi casualties were inflicted by the Soviets. That's the conservative estimate

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[–] sirdorius@programming.dev 8 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Europe needs to invest in proper cloud infrastructure. The only European cloud provider that is even remotely comparable to the big 3 is Scaleway, and they're still like 10 years behind in terms of features.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 5 points 20 hours ago

This is doing that. When you are not allowed to use foreign cloud providers, you have to use local ones. So they get business and are able to develop new features.

[–] ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Good. Finland just last year spent some 600 million euros on new AI system running on AWS, built by a USA company, that, once it's completed, will handle social insurance related applications. If you need something like unemployment benefits, disability/sickness related benefits, etc. all the necessary information required to handle your application will be handed to that system.

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