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[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 37 points 2 hours ago

A lie is based on intent. If you're purposely intending to mislead someone, whether by omitting information or by outright stating false information, then it's a lie.

[–] fozid@feddit.uk 1 points 27 minutes ago* (last edited 26 minutes ago)

No, that would be deceit. Similar, but not the same. You can deceive someone by lying. Lying is an act of deceit.

[–] determinist@kbin.earth 6 points 1 hour ago

the crucial element of a lie is intention to decieve, either by ommission or commission

[–] SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (5 children)

I wouldn't consider it in a vacuum. I also look at intent and consequences. Did they omit info to gain advantage over others, or were they refusing to tell a Nazi where they hid the jews? Did their choice lead to a better outcome for everyone, or did it cause chaos and disrupt lives needlessly?

Everyone going "duh it's still a lie" - calling someone a liar carries a specific connotation which I don't think applies in all cases of so-called "lies". To me, a lie carries with it not just an intentional falsehood but an accusation or an accusable misdeed. I wouldn't call someone a liar because they hid jews from nazis.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 hours ago

Pretty sure not telling the nazi is still a lie. But an example of when it is ethical to lie.

[–] chahn.chris@piefed.social 1 points 43 minutes ago (1 children)

Your point highlights the fact that lies are a tool. The intentional omission is a lie.

Judgment about the tool’s use is subjective.

Everyone uses this tool. Calling someone a liar is either calling them a human or it means you’re saying they use the tool more than they should which is yet another subjective judgment.

[–] SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 minutes ago

An interesting take, but not one that can be leaned on to navigate daily life as it doesn't reflect an understanding of how most people wield the label of "liar".

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 8 points 2 hours ago

You are either answering the wrong question, or are defining a lie based on some criteria I don't recognize.

Telling a Nazi there are no Jews in my basement is a lie. The only way it's not a lie is if there are, in fact, no Jews in my basement. But it is not wrong to lie to a Nazi.

[–] charokol@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

A lie is still a lie, even if it’s told to a Nazi or if there’s an otherwise good outcome

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Ooh I like that perspective.

[–] YoFrodo@lemmy.world 15 points 2 hours ago

Omission can be a lie as long as the intent is to deceive. Thats an important element to making something a lie

[–] gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

If Jean-Luc Picard says it’s so, it’s so.

[–] cattywampas@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Completely serious - I often use WWJLPD to inform a decision I have to make.

[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Jean-Luc Piucard demands you make it so

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Are you sure you’re not really asking if lying is good or bad? To me that’s an important distinction that should be addressed.

My kids used to believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy. I perpetuated those lies because it was fun for everyone, and the boys enjoyed it. Now they’re older and know better, and they understand both sides. They were not hurt or upset.

But if I know my friend’s wife is cheating on him, and I don’t say anything to him, then obviously that’s bad and my friend would be devastated even more to find out I withheld such important information.

We often conflate “not telling lies” with “all lies are bad”, and that’s not always true.

[–] Cherry@piefed.social 2 points 59 minutes ago

I’m an adult and I believe in Santa so when mine asked I could confidently answer Yes.

Call me silly but I’m happy. I believe

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Yes.

And lie by suggestion and implication is also a lie.

[–] blueyonder@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Agree with earlier comments that intentionally failing to mention a relevant truth (when one has an opportunity, when the relevant truth has not already been raised by others, etc.) can be an intention to deceive. But if we define "lie by omission" more broadly to include the failure to utter truths, then the only way to avoid it is to know everything, talk constantly, and approach infinite full disclosure by finite steps.

[–] Hackworth@piefed.ca 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

How about a lie of omission to myself?

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You can omit things from yourself? I'm not sure if I should be jealous or afraid.

[–] Hackworth@piefed.ca 1 points 2 hours ago

In some trivial sense, we're all doing it constantly. The brain processes a lot of information that doesn't enter your train of thought. Then there's everything we experience but reflexively avoid thinking about due to some fear, pain, or conditioning. Then there's willful "putting out of mind," or willful forgetting, selective attention. And if ya push some of those hard, ya get ritual self-manipulation. I guess I'd argue the most common lie of omission is to the self.