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Is a hot dog a sandwich?

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And I would posit that a taco is a type of sandwich. Therefore, a hot dog is a sandwich.

[–] Davel23@fedia.io 20 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Thank you, finally some sense in this thread.

[–] LORDSMEGMA@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago

A taco is just a wrapped salad, which is soup with less dressing. Therefore, a hot dog is actually soup.

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[–] roux2scour@jlai.lu 16 points 6 days ago (13 children)

After a lengthy (around 4 hours) discussion among our roommates, we came along with a common definition of what is commonly referred to as a “sandwich”: 

- Article 1: A sandwich is a dish consisting of a container and a filling. 

- 1.1: The container must consist of one or two connected parts 

- 1.2: It must be possible to retrieve the container without destroying it 

- 1.3: The container must consist of a starchy base.

- Article 2: The sandwich must be able to be eaten in public without any non-edible third-party items (including tables, cutlery, napkins, and so on).

- Article 3: The customary way of consuming the sandwich must be compatible with the process described in Article 2. 

Note: The sandwich is culturally defined; therefore, Article 3 is based on cultural criteria. In case of doubt, Articles 1 and 2 take precedence.

Everything here have been debated from an occidental and french persoective.

Me and my roommates would be very happy to explore new perspectives and contradictions as it would force us to make a more precise definition of the sandwich

According to us, hot dog is a sandwich as it fullfill article 1 and 2

This is written like the founding fathers wrote it back in the 1400s

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

So croque monsieur/madame is not a sandwich?

[–] roux2scour@jlai.lu 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It indeed doesn't really fit the definition we have. It is a real source of disagreement among us between those who wants to reject it from sandwich and those who wants to review the ruling.

This edgecase is really interesting and your opinion on that matter is welcomed

[–] MarieMarion@literature.cafe 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Si tu me demandes de lister 100 sandwiches différents, jamais je ne citerais le croque-monsieur. Je crois que c'est parce qu'il ne devient croque-monsieur qu'une fois chauffé.

[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But once the croque monsieur has been cooked, it can be eaten cold. The croque madame has an egg on top, not a sandwich.

[–] MarieMarion@literature.cafe 1 points 4 days ago

Hmm. But you eat them both with a fork and knife. (And a panaché bien blanc, it's law.)

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[–] bstix@feddit.dk 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Coffee in a paper cup is then a sandwich.

[–] roux2scour@jlai.lu 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Most people don't consider paper cup as an edible part of the dish, the cup goes in third party accesories classification

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There's no rule against inedible containers. Only that it's made from starch.

[–] roux2scour@jlai.lu 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ok in english it's a dish, the word i used in french was "met" which desigh only the food, bot the plate, meaning "dish[met] made of container of container and containee" implies both are part of the met and then edible. Sorry for the translation unclarity

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Ok, I will eat an ice cream in a waffle cone sandwich then.

[–] roux2scour@jlai.lu 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Woah never thought of this, it quite destroys the definition, thank you for participating in science methodology of proving wrong theories i love it

[–] DougPiranha42@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

Ok. We have ice cream sandwich. We have ice cream in waffle cone. At what angular divergence between the waffle layers does it stop being a sandwich and become a cone?

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[–] tuckerm@feddit.online 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

Yes. A few weeks ago, some coworkers and I mapped out the entire sandwich taxonomy. You attain sandwich nirvana once you derive these definitions:

  1. Hot dog is a taco.
  2. Taco is a subcategory of sandwich.
  3. If the sandwich contains an additional piece of bread inside of it, it is now a lasagna.
  4. Lasagna is a subcategory of sandwich. 🤯

Now it all makes sense. Be at peace.

[–] LORDSMEGMA@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)
  1. Sandwiches are just a layered salad
  2. Salad is just a drier soup

Therefore tacos are soup

[–] tuckerm@feddit.online 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

IMO the existence of soup in a bread bowl shows that tacos and soup are even closer to each other, evolutionarily, than most scientists think.

[–] LORDSMEGMA@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

And bread is just a baked soup

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So is a bowl of cereal soup or salad?

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[–] FrChazzz@lemmus.org 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If a hoagie or hero is a sandwich, then it is only logical that a hotdog is also a sandwich.

EDIT: Since my criteria here has been cited by others and this comment, as initially presented, contributes very little to the discussion, I am amending this comment with the following information: Based on Ken Burns' Baseball documentary (at least my memory of it; been a few years), the hot dog has its genesis with guys selling food outside of a baseball park. They were selling sausages that were coiled, and served on a bun. The buns ran out and so they grabbed some Italian bread sold nearby, cutting the sausages and laying them in the bread, sliced sideways. This posits that the foundational concept of the hotdog was a conventional sandwich.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This is what every Object Oriented Programmer is pondering on

[–] weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

And as it so happens I know C++ and C# :D

[–] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.today 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

class HotDog : public Taco

class Taco : public Sandwich

[–] Alsjemenou@lemy.nl 3 points 4 days ago

A hot dog is a sandwich in the same way that tomatoes are a fruit.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago

Yes. A sandwich can be closed on one and open on the other side

[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (8 children)
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[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

No. It's in the subcategory of bread based meals like sandwiches and pizza, scones, etc. The topology is different. Sandwiches are built with layers. Hot dogs have a bread cup/container with extra condiments wedged on top.

Hot dogs also require a sausage. Sandwiches are agnostic to sausages.

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[–] PodPerson@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I posit the most practical and likely least precise definition of all:

Whether something is a sandwich or not is like the difference between art and porn. You know it when you see it.

Could loads of things fall under a technical definition of a sandwich? Totally. Is a taco a sandwich? Please.

[–] forestbeasts@pawb.social 3 points 4 days ago

Difference between art and porn? Plenty of art IS porn, and plenty of porn is art!

Anyway, yeah, that's kind of off-topic from the definition of a sandwich.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 days ago

Is a taco a sandwich?

Yes it is. Corn flour is just as valid as a flour as any other grain! Therefore a tacoshell is a type of dough productm and a sandvich is topings between two baked dough products. Never has it been said it needs to be open on both sides!

[–] lime@feddit.nu 5 points 5 days ago (5 children)

a hot dog is a taco. is a taco a sandwich?

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