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I'm out. I would never buy a console without physical media.
Realistically, with half-finished games on launch and mandatory day one patches, this won't be a meaningful shift in how much you actually "own" your games, but dropping this 2 days after they deleted 550 movies that folks had bought and paid for and ostensibly "owned" from the ecosystem is a real bad look.
The problem with discs vs. digital never was how much of the game you own or the fact that you can play the same disc 20 years down the road. It boils down to the fact that you can no longer sell the game you own after finishing it.
Not only selling, but buying, lending or even gifting!
That's correct, most of my collection on XboX 360 and PS4 comes from second hand games.
Or even just lend it to a friend. When I was a kid everyone in my group would get a different game and share them. We barely would have been able to play anything if we didn't share
See, this is the real problem. Anybody with an MBA is going to look at your statement and think about all the money they didn’t get because they’re too fucking stupid to realize that you would not have bought more games if you had to buy multiple copies. It’s the same thing with like pirating music they used to talk about how much money they’ve lost, and I used to think no I just wouldn’t have bought that album. So they’ve spent all this time trying to figure out how to chase down dollars they never would’ve gotten to begin with.
I'm with you, this is an insanely ballsy move. One of the biggest pros of a console is that you could still buy physical games and trade it with friends or sell it used to someone else. If everything is going digital, what's the point?
Here we even have a local chain that rents you physical games for a week at a time...
Remember when XB1 was going to be digital-only and Sony roasted it so badly Microsoft had to walk it back?
Sad thing is, I always figured this was going to be inevitable. I just didn't think it would happen this soon.
That is why you need a strong competition. Unfortunately Sony doesn't have one, so they can do whatever they want.
Hilariously still up on their YT, and rightfully getting roasted in the comments
Consoles now cost nearly as much as a PCs, digital purchases are being revoked, and now discs are going away and you're being locked into one storefront where Sony can charge whatever they want. I've enjoyed owning consoles for my entire life but they don't make sense anymore. Somehow, Sony just made the the Steam Machine look like a smart purchase.
To be truthful, when the game wasn't fully on the disk or required day one patches is when I stopped taking consoles seriously. One of the benefits of console was a little loading and you're good to go. That's long gone now for even some indie games.
Someone at Sony is feeling very smart and modern right now, totally unaware that PlayStation is now a dead brand walking.
They are a strong brand, but that's not going to be enough to justify a definitely-$1k+ PS6 compared to increasing handheld and console-like gaming options that are not locked down ecosystems. Their exclusives likely can't save them, they have been dying out already.
Physical media was one of the few remaining differentiators for hardcore collectors and loyalists. Even if I'm sure it's a greatly diminished part of their bottom line, it's a psychological anchor that justifies the existence of a console. Now their console will be just another extremely handicapped and uncompetitive digital box, even if (as recently reported) they copy the Switch dockable format.
For me, the locked ecosystem of consoles was justified by a lower price for the hardware and the option to sell or trade the software. Now that neither is going to be a thing any more, my 40+ years of console gaming will be ending after this gen. It's gonna be dedicated PCs plugged into the TV from here on out.
Well what's the point then. Might as well go over to PC gaming. The only real reason to stay with consoles was the physical disks.
Everything else about consoles is terrible compared to PC, no mods, limited games, limited sales, if any, (looking at you Nintendo), limited control scheme options, can only play games so device doesn't have a lot of utility, you have to pay for internet access even though you already pay for internet access, no private servers, limited community tools.
The one thing you could say for consoles was that you owned the game. Now that's gone.
The other advantages were lower price for hardware and not requiring tinkering to get games to run properly. While the price is still lower, it's a smaller gap than it used to be since everything is ass-expensive now, so less benefit there. The last advantage isn't even remotely worth all the downsides at this point.
To expand on your point about no tinkering required, the overall UI is also geared for a couch experience. So many people want to just plug in an HDMI cable and go, and consoles make that possible. And I get the desire; I have no regrets about going the PC route but I absolutely understand the whole "I don't want to sit at a desk when I get home from work" argument. And before anyone talks about putting a PC on the TV, yes it's possible but it's not optimized for that kind of experience out of the box.
This is my last console Gen, 30 years deep.
Owning a console means owning your game—being able to share it, save it, display it, sell it, and trade it.
It’s been an amazing, wild ride. But Sony, I’m out.
I get if they reduced disc output but fully ending is nasty work and stripping away consumer choice. There tons of factors of why people have been going digital lately and I still do a mix of both. I don't trust the big 3 with a digital only landscape even Switch's 2 gamekey cards still have issues. I guess the good times are slowly ending.
I would argue that DRM-free has always been what we really need rather than the physical media, particularly in the era of patching.
I'm with you on that which is why I love GOG's efforts.
What?
What the fuck?
They are just going to let Nintendo be the last physical game producer?
Physical copies are about to cost so much, fuck them!
Is there any reason not to be on PC? Larger libraries, open source, better graphics, larger communities, no extra sub on top of your internet to play with friends.
If we can't have discs, in my opinion, why have consoles? If you want a console-like experience you can even use distros like SteamOS or Bazzite.
But absolutely fuck Sony and Rockstar and everyone trying to remove our physical media and games. If it weren't against IP laws and such, I'd love to work for a physical production company who re-makes discs, cartridges, etc to preserve games. I know there are some who do limited runs for indie titles, giving them physical releases they otherwise wouldn't have.
We need a more chill, less capitalist world.
Due to licensing agreements expiring with publishers, 500 titles of your digital games will no longer be available. We are also shutting down our digital storefront for this generation's console next year, after which you will no longer be able to download any other titles onto your puny price inflated ssd. Please consider upgrading to the PS7 to continue paying to play online, where you can pay to purchase your games again. Thank you for your business.
Without physical disk I might as well get a Gabecube instead.
At least once the next Gabecube "2" comes out, the old one won't become a paperweight and could become my parents next computer.
In the same week they're in the spotlight again for removing purchased content from people's libraries?
Born too late to explore the world, too early to explore space - but just in time to watch the rise and enshitification of the internet and gaming.
On one level I understand the move. On another, what exactly is the point of owning a console at that point? If you need the broadband to download massive games, then you have the broadband to stream games from the cloud. Just turn the console into an app and people subscribe to it like Netflix.
We finally made it here. They been making digital only consoles for years now.
Why get into consoles now? One of the best reasons to get a console is gone.
I’m more likely to bite the bullet on the cost of a Steam Machine then over a PS6.
Even without games on disc I use it for my movies on disc all the time. I will not be replacing my PS5 with something without a disc drive.
At a time when the cost of harddrive space is going up like everything else in computing, and their consoles for this generation still come with a disc drive variant, this is insane work. Especially when once again Sony is in the news for removing digital content people paid for and not offering refunds. Pity that the execs behind this decision feel no shame.
More evidence I did the right thing by completely avoiding Sony this generation.
Guess who's getting rid of movies you bought on Playstation?