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Europe is capable of sustaining Ukraine's resistance against Russia, even if the United States were to decide to completely halt its military support to Kyiv, the senior military official in charge of coordinating Germany's arms supplies told Reuters.

Major General Christian Freuding said NATO's European members plus Canada had already exceeded the estimated $20 billion worth of U.S. military aid provided last year to Kyiv.

They accounted for around 60% of the total costs borne by the Western allies, he said.

"The war against Ukraine is raging on our continent, it is also being waged against the European security order. If the political will is there, then the means will also be there to largely compensate for the American support," Freuding said in an interview.

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[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 5 points 2 hours ago

I hope the EU declares war on Russia, kills Putin, and ends Russia as we know it. Russia's shadow fleets and sabotage of EU nations should be answered for. Russia may form an open pact with Fascist US within a couple of years, which effectively would kneecap NATO for a while and point a dagger at Europe's back.

Who are they gonna buy the stuff from though 🤨

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 10 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Damn right, France can sail a fucking nuclear sub into Russia and blow up St Petersburg if they want.

[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

American? With that kind of ideas, I pretty much want the US out of this war

[–] match@pawb.social 2 points 1 hour ago

Can France keep a sub in reserve for Washington just in case

[–] dickalan@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

What does your comment mean?

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 22 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

As I keep saying, America may be a shitshow, but Europe needs to look in the mirror before it happens to you guys too. Far right parties are gaining lots of traction while many assume the EU will be fine, and more war spending is going to exacerbate that.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 38 minutes ago

I don't think you can equate European far right parties with American shit show. The main issues with American system are completely politicized judicial branch, totally corrupt legislative branch and irrational fear of "socialism" entrenched in society. In Europe, even in countries with growing right wing movements there are still strong anti-corruption measure, the top-level courts are still very much independent (on EU level, on country level it will vary) and most people understand and support social policies. So yes, in EU many individual countries can face issues with their systems and the EU as a whole will struggle to keep its current form but it's still pretty far away from total collapse like in USA. Couple of right wing governments will not take it down.

[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 3 points 12 hours ago

I can't speak for all countries but of the people assuming Europe will be fine, most seem to be rifht wing voters. It's a good thing not everyone is in panic mode, but I agree people should be more aware of the current direction the world is heading in but there are also a lot of people who actually like this direction.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 42 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Man I'm glad to hear that, cause the US isn't exactly a dependable ally right now 😅 (sorry, I wish we were 🥲)

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

This is true. It’s also true that Europe needs to have the capacity to handle something like this on their own. The complaint that the US won’t save Europe THIS TIME, AGAIN, says as much about Europe as the US.

[–] Anonymaus@feddit.org 5 points 3 hours ago

Usa never single-handedly saved europe, so I dont know what youre on about usa 'saving us again'

[–] systemglitch@lemmy.world 30 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I don't think America can ever be considered reliable or an ally during my remaining life ever again.

[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 7 points 21 hours ago

Just curiosity, which generation are you? Personally, I had this feeling during the second Iraq war.

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I kinda feel the issues happening in the US will be resolved soonish. And by resolved I mean, either the US will fall apart, and add you said will continue to be unreliable, or trumpisn will be defeated

[–] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 10 points 15 hours ago

Even after trumpism is defeated, there's a lot of trust for the US people to rebuild with their allies.

If the people are so willing to vote in dictator idiot maniacs, then how can other countries trust those same people to not do it again?

It's the same for European countries at the moment as well. The UK is fairly less trusted right now because they vote idiots like Farage, Hungary is snubbed because Orban is a Russian колбаса sucker - so on and so on.

Those generations that vote these people in will still live a few more decades and as such any goodwill towards them is diminished.

[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

We could also have given Ukraine so much they won the war 2 years ago, problem is we also want healthcare, education and decent pensions. I mean it's good the German army feels we should help Ukraine win the war but let's not act as if this is a simple feat that doesn't require a lot of money. Without free American weapons it will be a lot harder to defend ourselves against Putins warmongering.

[–] dickalan@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

They are definitely paying us for our depreciated military hardware are they not?

[–] Bravo@eviltoast.org 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] dickalan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

You didn’t really think we were giving them our latest and greatest military technology did you, we were given the stuff that we were we were going write off or destroy anyways and then charging them for it, America always makes money

[–] Bravo@eviltoast.org 1 points 14 minutes ago

I know, that's why the word "free" was wrong

[–] besmtt@lemmy.world -1 points 21 hours ago