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Chat control doesn't sound very much like respecting citizen's rights
Yea but countries fight that here. Romania didn't agree for example.
In the US, if trump says something it happens, or ICE starts shooting civilians. That doesn't happen, at least in my country, as corrupt as it is.
States seem pretty fkin powerless in the US whereas in the EU we can still do whatever we want. We just ger kicked out if we cross the line.
So true.
It's scary, it's like all the major developed civilizations are saying
"Look we're all spying on each other because we're definitely planning on fighting so you best either get out of our way or shut up about it."
Oh shit, does that mean Europeans will get shot in the face now too? You know, to control their chatting. Like in the USA, if you say "I'm not mad at you", you get shot in the face.
Yeah, chat control is not great, but is FAR FAR FAR from what's happening in the Fascist States of America.
Chat control means if it ever comes to being shot in the face, we won't have widely available encrypted chats available to organise anymore.
We will. They will just be "illegal" and not provided by one of the tech corporations but by regular programmers.
It's all code, written by people. The same people can write code to do good or to do bad.
I can create an encrypted chat app and not give the government encryption keys. Host it on a simple server for anyone to download.
Yes, now good luck distributing your self hosted app to a big enough group of people to start getting people organized. Especially people who don't know how to install apps that aren't on the official stores.
Otherwise, Matrix would already fill this niche, but even that's too much for normies.
Plus when it's illegal, they don't need to know what you're doing, just that it's encrypted and you're connecting to a service they don't have the keys for and isn't on a whitelist either. Enough to arrest you.
It didn't start with people getting shot in the face. Chat control is a big step in that direction.
You all are fighting on who's riding the biggest turd boat into the sea and you're both making find points :)
The US is putting Nazi slogans on the government speech podiums and trying to annex countries that are too weak to put up a fight.
The EU is trying to remove private communication.
I think the US is a about 11:59 on the doomsday clock, the EU is about 10:45
We're both mostly fucked, the EU has more time to turn around, but that's not likely either.
Which part of it? I read the legislation and I think it does respect citizen's rights. Which paragraphs do you find problematic?
Perhaps the entire idea that the government can spy on all your communications?
You have to be talking about some different Chat Control because the one I read doesn't allow anything like that. At least I think it doesn't. Can you point me to the specific part that covers it? Maybe I missed it.
But seriously, I can see you read some scary headlines that have nothing to do with reality. Of course you're not going to read the legislation yourself and hearing it form some random guy on lemmy will not change your mind because you read it on some random blog so it has to be true but for anyone interested, the proposed law specifically says that “the regulation shall not prohibit, make impossible, weaken, circumvent or otherwise undermine cybersecurity measures, in particular encryption, including end-to-end encryption”.
OK, first off, fuck you and your smug-ass tone.
It seems that last year the legislation was amended and it removed the requirement that providers scan all messages and added the part that you quoted at the end. But it would require age verification which is something else of which I am opposed to the very idea.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/12/after-years-controversy-eus-chat-control-nears-its-final-hurdle-what-know
So you just said something 100% wrong and then doubled down on it despite not knowing much about it but the problem is that I'm smug... Yeah...
Age verification would be only required for services that are considered high risk for grooming and would have to be done in a way that preserves privacy and all the rights guaranteed by GDPR regulation. It's still just a proposal, nothing was approved. Personally I don't like it but I see it as a reasonable compromise for a regulation aimed at protecting children. Other than that we can simply ignore the issue and do nothing. And I do hope nothing will be done but since they were working on a law that was supposed to do something it's normal they come up with something like that. Taking this and saying "EU doesn't respect citizen's rights" is in best case ignorant, in worst misinformation.
Because after years of some members of the EU pushing the version the person you replied to described, it was changed to pass it quicker.
The encryption ban will still come, don't worry. They'll try again when there's a good crisis.