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Nah. I mean I’m German and what you’re saying is literally what we’ve been hearing from Neonazi circles for decades. It’s historically wrong and actually antisemitic.
The holocaust is the name for this specific event and there has not in human history been a larger industrially organized murder of a people.
It’s kind of insane that this neonazi propaganda is now being adopted from what I assume are leftists.
Yes, there has been. Neonazi propaganda is bad, but so is Zionist propaganda
The transatlantic slave trade put 12 million people on ships from Africa to the Americas. 2 million died and 10 million lived awful lives no better than that of the Jews in concentration camps.
Once you add their descendents (we don't know the total number) we have 10s to 100s of millions of people living in work camps for 20 generations spanning 350 years.
Never has there been any compensation paid to descendants of slavery. Even today, there is still compensation paid to descendants of Holocaust victims, and the time difference between the end of slavery and the Holocaust is less than that between the Holocaust and today.
And it's not just this one. Germany more or less ignores the genocide it committed in Namibia.
Even when it comes to WW2, the focus is always on the 6 million Jews and not the 20 million Slavs. Even though Slavs are a more homogeneous ethnic group than Jews. It was just inconvenient during the cold war to see the USSR and its citizens as a victim worthy of compensation.
And then finally, this live streamed genocide in Gaza. Which in some respects is worse than the Holocaust, even if the absolute number is lower.
My grandparents were resistance fighters in WW2. They knew Jews were being picked up and sent to camps, and they saved a few from that fate, but they didn't know the truth about Auschwitz until after the war. The images were not publicly available in occupied Europe. They were shocked. And the same is true for most Germans. The Nazi's never had popular democratic support for the war and genocide.
But in Gaza, we can all see it. It is being denied, while being live streamed. The Israeli's, Americans and the Germans can see the starving kids in Gaza and still provide popular democratic support to its continuation.
The Germans of WW2 never reached that level of moral depravity, only a few Nazi's did.
The transatlantic slave trade, horrible as it was, took hundreds of years to make its victims, and was not a campaign of targeted extermination. There was little to no care for the slaves' lives, but their murder wasn't the goal.
The Holocaust only lasted from 41 to 45. 6 million jews were murdered in a span of only 4 years. In a period of just 100 days 1,47 million jews were systematically targeted and exterminated. That's nearly double the rate of the Rwandan genocide. It's the same amount of people who died on board of the slave ships spanning from the 16th to the 19th century. No genocide in history has a higher death rate than that. 90+% of Polish jews were murdered, a near total extinction.
That's what people refer to when they talk about the largest industrial genocide. No other genocide in our history has come close. The numbers do not lie, and calling the memory of the Holocaust "zionist propaganda" is pretty sickening. It's not just zionists that claim this you know, reputable historians around the world do.
Did I say the slave trade was an industrial genocide?
You are cherry picking parameters to try and make the Holocaust some kind of unique tier of atrocity.
In the same time frame 20 million Slavs died.
On certain islands in the Caribbean, 100% of the native population was murdered and displaced, which is more than 90%.
Yes, there are certain aspects of the Holocaust that are unique, but it is not in a unique tier by itself. There are many metrics that make other atrocities worse.
I don't know how else to say it, but: the unique aspects of the Holocaust are what makes the Holocaust unique.
Making up "tiers" of mass murder or genocide is dehumanizing. There is no point in trying to compare these atrocities - except of course if someone wants to say e.g. "Well, the holocaust wasn't that bad".
This whole discussion is in the context that, in Germany and the Western world, the Holocaust is positioned as the worst thing that ever happened. And the Nazi's as uniquely evil.
That's the propaganda we are arguing against.
Even if that is "the propaganda" (which I have not seen in this thread btw): your counterproposition is not to dispose of the whole one-dimensional "which atrocity is worse" bullshit, but instead formalizing it by speaking of tiers and arguing that the holocaust wasn't that bad. That's dehumanizing, has no value at all (it's not like a "tier 2 genocide" it somehow more okay) and instead opens the doors for Nazi apologia and antisemtism and derails the discussion.
I didn't say that Holocaust wasn't that bad, that's you being racist.
Yes you did. The comment you replied to said:
You then replied with:
I have chatbots with better reading comprehension than this.
Don't cherry pick and misquote dude.
Please explain what "Yes there has been" was referring to then.
Go up three comments to read the full context. Like a normal human.