alvvayson

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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Once you start looking at reparations for slavery and colonialism, you quickly realize it's a debt that the former colonizers will never be able to repay.

And to be honest, for wrongs that were committed over a 350+ year period, it doesn't make sense to repay a debt within a single lifetime.

So I agree with you, something would be better than nothing.

But it is important to make an inventory on what would be justly owed and what has been paid back to date and in what form. Perhaps this process should also last 350 years.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Dedollarization would happen.

It will be painful for countries which are vulnerable and ill prepared.

I honestly think there's a good chance it will happen soon. Trump is speed running "how to dismantle the US power and influence in one presidential term".

I am convinced he is a total Putin puppet and the only reason it doesn't always seem that way, is to be able to deny those allegations.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I haven't been beaten in an argument.

You are trying to lecture people on a historical genocide while whitewashing and denying a genocide that is happening before our very eyes.

That is truly sickening and not healthy. And it actually hurts people who are now dying and starving.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 5 days ago (3 children)

And you're a Nazi, just against brown people instead of Jews.

Same shit, different victims.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 6 days ago

I didn't say that Holocaust wasn't that bad, that's you being racist.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 6 days ago

Go up three comments to read the full context. Like a normal human.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Dude, I never said the Holocaust ain't bad.

You're just a racist projecting your beliefs on others

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This whole discussion is in the context that, in Germany and the Western world, the Holocaust is positioned as the worst thing that ever happened. And the Nazi's as uniquely evil.

That's the propaganda we are arguing against.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Did I say the slave trade was an industrial genocide?

You are cherry picking parameters to try and make the Holocaust some kind of unique tier of atrocity.

In the same time frame 20 million Slavs died.

On certain islands in the Caribbean, 100% of the native population was murdered and displaced, which is more than 90%.

Yes, there are certain aspects of the Holocaust that are unique, but it is not in a unique tier by itself. There are many metrics that make other atrocities worse.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, I think their CEO might have QNAP stock or something.

It's hilarious how dumb this is.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 week ago (31 children)

Yes, there has been. Neonazi propaganda is bad, but so is Zionist propaganda

The transatlantic slave trade put 12 million people on ships from Africa to the Americas. 2 million died and 10 million lived awful lives no better than that of the Jews in concentration camps.

Once you add their descendents (we don't know the total number) we have 10s to 100s of millions of people living in work camps for 20 generations spanning 350 years.

Never has there been any compensation paid to descendants of slavery. Even today, there is still compensation paid to descendants of Holocaust victims, and the time difference between the end of slavery and the Holocaust is less than that between the Holocaust and today.

And it's not just this one. Germany more or less ignores the genocide it committed in Namibia.

Even when it comes to WW2, the focus is always on the 6 million Jews and not the 20 million Slavs. Even though Slavs are a more homogeneous ethnic group than Jews. It was just inconvenient during the cold war to see the USSR and its citizens as a victim worthy of compensation.

And then finally, this live streamed genocide in Gaza. Which in some respects is worse than the Holocaust, even if the absolute number is lower.

My grandparents were resistance fighters in WW2. They knew Jews were being picked up and sent to camps, and they saved a few from that fate, but they didn't know the truth about Auschwitz until after the war. The images were not publicly available in occupied Europe. They were shocked. And the same is true for most Germans. The Nazi's never had popular democratic support for the war and genocide.

But in Gaza, we can all see it. It is being denied, while being live streamed. The Israeli's, Americans and the Germans can see the starving kids in Gaza and still provide popular democratic support to its continuation.

The Germans of WW2 never reached that level of moral depravity, only a few Nazi's did.

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