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[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children)

The transatlantic slave trade, horrible as it was, took hundreds of years to make its victims, and was not a campaign of targeted extermination. There was little to no care for the slaves' lives, but their murder wasn't the goal.

The Holocaust only lasted from 41 to 45. 6 million jews were murdered in a span of only 4 years. In a period of just 100 days 1,47 million jews were systematically targeted and exterminated. That's nearly double the rate of the Rwandan genocide. It's the same amount of people who died on board of the slave ships spanning from the 16th to the 19th century. No genocide in history has a higher death rate than that. 90+% of Polish jews were murdered, a near total extinction.

That's what people refer to when they talk about the largest industrial genocide. No other genocide in our history has come close. The numbers do not lie, and calling the memory of the Holocaust "zionist propaganda" is pretty sickening. It's not just zionists that claim this you know, reputable historians around the world do.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Did I say the slave trade was an industrial genocide?

You are cherry picking parameters to try and make the Holocaust some kind of unique tier of atrocity.

In the same time frame 20 million Slavs died.

On certain islands in the Caribbean, 100% of the native population was murdered and displaced, which is more than 90%.

Yes, there are certain aspects of the Holocaust that are unique, but it is not in a unique tier by itself. There are many metrics that make other atrocities worse.

[–] homoludens@feddit.org 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I don't know how else to say it, but: the unique aspects of the Holocaust are what makes the Holocaust unique.

Making up "tiers" of mass murder or genocide is dehumanizing. There is no point in trying to compare these atrocities - except of course if someone wants to say e.g. "Well, the holocaust wasn't that bad".

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This whole discussion is in the context that, in Germany and the Western world, the Holocaust is positioned as the worst thing that ever happened. And the Nazi's as uniquely evil.

That's the propaganda we are arguing against.

[–] homoludens@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Even if that is "the propaganda" (which I have not seen in this thread btw): your counterproposition is not to dispose of the whole one-dimensional "which atrocity is worse" bullshit, but instead formalizing it by speaking of tiers and arguing that the holocaust wasn't that bad. That's dehumanizing, has no value at all (it's not like a "tier 2 genocide" it somehow more okay) and instead opens the doors for Nazi apologia and antisemtism and derails the discussion.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago

I didn't say that Holocaust wasn't that bad, that's you being racist.

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