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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 159 points 15 hours ago (9 children)

He later said: “So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding that these countries come in and protect their own territory because it is their territory, it’s the place from which they get their energy and they should come and they should help us protect it.”

Then came the line that quickly sparked reaction online:

“You could make the case that maybe we shouldn’t even be there at all because we don’t need it.”

It's Iran's terrority, and Iran is defending it after being attacked...

But I really think he's getting pressure from Christian extremists to abandon Israel. Their endgame was always Israel getting wiped out by its neighbors to start Armageddon and rapture Christians.

If no one joins against Iran, trump will likely try to slink away and Bibi holding the bag.

It’s Iran’s terrority, and Iran is defending it after being attacked…

Reminds me of an old cartoon. Teacher is separating two boys who were fighting and says "Billy, who started the fight?" Billy answers "Tommy started it! He hit me back!"

[–] Grumpyleb@lemmus.org 65 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

And he threatened NATO, who by all his accounts "stood back from the front lines" When Article 5 was called during the bullshit second Gulf War. And now he DEMANDS they help. Sure buddy.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 77 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I just love the quote:

So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding...

He starts with needing help, starts to say he just really wants it, then pivota to demanding it.

The fact that he went thru those steps shows how much pressure he's facing.

His two biggest wings of influence has been Israel and American christo-fascists, if they start pulling him in opposite ways, he can't hold onto both.

He's fucked, but so are the rest of us by extension. Hopefully just till midterms at least.

[–] Grumpyleb@lemmus.org 37 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

The thing is, as a foreigner, and speaking bluntly, this is on the entire American population, voting him in once was one thing, but not dealing with Jan 6 harshly under Bidens administration did nothing more than encourage them and their billionaire backers. IF there's no false flag operation to cancel the midterms and IF presidential elections are held and the democrats get into power, you lot are going to have to overhaul your entire system to ensure another Trump doesn't happen. And honestly speaking I can't realistically see that happening.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (11 children)

The thing is, as a foreigner, and speaking bluntly, this is on the entire American population

No problem.

To put it bluntly I don't expect Americans to understand our political system, so I'm not surprised when foreigners clearly don't. Shits complicated and nonsensical

I just wish more would ask questions instead of sharing uninformed opinions as facts, but maga thinking isn't reserved for Americans...

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

you still think voting will get you out of the fascism you invited in?

[–] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 55 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

i've been loudly condemning trump for well over 10 years, losing relationships with friends and family because of it. I didn't "invite" shit, and i accept zero responsibility for the bullshit fascist...whatever the fuck you call this place now. this country is full of fucking racist brainwashed sheep and/or just plain gullible morons.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago

agreed... sorry you are caught up in the generalization

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Maybe if people actually showed the fuck up it might. But there's so many "voting doesn't do shit" people that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

The way I see it, there are 3 choices.

  1. Vote (effectively). If you still have a glimmer of hope that things can be changed for the better, you need to be doing this. Job one is to keep republicans out of power, vote for whomever is going to beat them. Job 2 is to push Democrats further left in the primaries. Mamdani showed us that this can happen, reluctantly at first, but the party will respond to its voters. Key word there is "voters" if you don't vote, they don't know about you, and won't give a fuck about you.

  2. Disruption. I can't in good faith call for violence, but if you genuinely believe it is impossible to fix the system by voting, you need to be in the streets disrupting day to day operation of the system that oppresses you. Protest, strike, squat, whatever you gotta do, but you can't do it halfway. If you aren't literally ready to fight for your life then, this option isn't for you.

  3. Do nothing. You can just sit around and bitch about things. Whatever happens is (almost) equally your fault as it is the people who voted for it. You'll end up against the wall just like the other two groups, but it will take the nazis you left the door open for, a little bit longer to get around to you. I've got no respect for the people in this group, no one should TBH.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world -2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Do you really think "voting" will, for example, bring about real change, like universal healthcare?

Over 70% of voters want universal healthcare, as polls have demonstrated for over THIRTY YEARS. It doesn't matter.

Think of voting as participating in a poll or something, like voting for your favorite "American Idol".

It won't actually change the show, it's just part of the entertainment.

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[–] Josey_Wales@lemmy.world 16 points 15 hours ago (17 children)

Of course not. If the first move on a chess board was to simply take your opponent’s king, that would always be the first move in every game.

Having the midterm vote suppressed is just one sacrificial pawn in the direction of what needs to be done to eradicate fascism.

Knowing what to do isn’t that valuable if you don’t time it correctly. It’s not just one person or party. It is systemic and requires a critical mass of history to be successful.

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[–] br0da@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Invited in? I didn’t invite any of this in. Not by my vote, not by my letters to government officials, and not by my protests.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

I'm sure the world is very interested in whether you invited him or not, just as much as in who in Russia did or didn't vote for Putin.

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[–] Hux@lemmy.ml 8 points 15 hours ago

I feel like it is more basic than that.

I think his quote transitioning from asking for help to demanding others “step up” just reveals something he was taught early on—“never show weakness”.

Along with “never admit wrong doing” and “deny ‘til you die”, if you just set a simpleton up with a few basic, immoral, rules and hundreds of millions of dollars, you get Trump.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 hours ago

NATO: "Get Le Fucked".

The rest of the world is outraged about the pedophilia.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 45 points 15 hours ago (8 children)

Man I am so fucking ready for the Nationalist Christians to become huge fucking pariahs as a direct result of all of the idiocy that they’ve been pushing

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

by then the world may be literally cooked.

[–] Restaldt@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Oh boy do I have terrible news about runaway climate change

It was 80 degrees here yesterday and its snowing right now as I type this.

And this is the best our climate will be for the rest of our lives 🙃

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[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 hours ago

The Christian leaders also see their parishioners spending all their money on gas, on the way to church, instead of on tithing.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Waitasec, I'm no expert, but I thought the whole Rapture thing required all the Jewish people to be gathered into one place first. So, they literally require every Jewish person in America to be deported to Israel for their whole process to even begin.

Did I misunderstand something?

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 15 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Did I misunderstand something?

Yeah, the fact that the Rapture is 19th-century snake-juggler fanfic which has no biblical basis besides insane free association based on a few ambiguous phrases here and there. Also, the guy who wrote Revelation was definitely mentally ill and obsessed with revenge.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Sure. But it's legitimacy is irrelevant so long as they believe it, which they do.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'd say the provenance of those beliefs is relevant, since it tells you what kind of rubes we're talking about. A 2000-year-old religion is one thing, even if its foundational beliefs are mythical. Some half-assed bullshit cobbbled together by a gaggle of late-19th-century and early-20th-century hucksters doesn't even have the excuse that at least they built a few cathedrals, wrote some good music and did some good paintings, along with all the life-denying superstition and oppression.

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[–] errer@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

I think the point is if what they believe in is a string of randomly connected bits of fiction, it’s not too much of a leap to think that they would omit or include a new bit of fiction to fit whatever the situation currently is.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

You know that the Revelation is a political pamphlet, right? It's actually amazing that it got included in the canon.

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

The guy that wrote Revalations was more than likely in the throws of ergot poisoning.

[–] alfredon996@feddit.it 2 points 12 hours ago

He later said: “So, we need, I, I would really, I’m demanding that these countries come in and protect their own territory because it is their territory, it’s the place from which they get their energy and they should come and they should help us protect it.”

Sure, you fucked up everything, but other countries have to resolve the situation that you created.

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