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[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 22 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

As a European living in the US now for many years the temperature scale is the least of my annoyances. It's easy enough to memorize be ranges for what to wear. Fahrenheit is more granular, which is nice sometimes but really doesn't matter.

No, let's convert all the ridiculous weight/volume measures first. Having two kinds of ounces makes no sense. Measuring solids by volume (mostly) doesn't make sense. Having different units for different magnitudes doesn't make sense.

Fortunately things are often labeled in both metric and customary units so I can convert way easier.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to have my 12 fluid ounces of coffee and a 1/3 cup of oatmeal.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 55 minutes ago) (1 children)

I very much prefer to cook/bake/prep in metric grams.

2c white flour, sifted.
1c brown sugar, packed.
1c room temperature water.
2tsp active dry yeast.
2tbsp vegetable oil.
1/2tsp baking powder.
2 egg yolks.
5 egg whites.
Pinch of cinnamon.

Fuck you. Tell me how many grams that is. I don't need five different tools to measure out my ingredients. I need a wet bowl, a dry bowl, and a scale.

Also this isn't a real recipe I just started naming shit at random.

[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 3 points 48 minutes ago (1 children)

I've had to translate recipes from Norwegian to American and this struggle is real. Never thought I'd need to look up material density tables for cooking.

[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 1 points 27 minutes ago (1 children)

“To American” … what?

We have kitchen scales, we know how to weigh ingredients.

Old recipes in English often use volume measurements, across the pond too.

Modern recipes use weights when possible.

Idk why you’d convert to ye olde style.

[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 1 points 16 minutes ago

I accidentally a word. Converting recipes from Norwegian and metric to American and US customary units.

I'm aware. I have a scale, too. But most people didn't weigh dry ingredients. So when I translate for someone else I have to use the "normal" measures they're used to. For myself, I speak the language and just use metric, my scale, and a measuring cup with both markings.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If they'd just standardized on one unit per measurement and apply si prefixes it's still an imperial unit but easier to work with. Say a quart for volume, and a yard for distance, because they're close to liter and meter. But I guess a kiloyard and a deciquart is taking it too far.

[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 1 points 50 minutes ago

Yeah I think at that point it would be easier to just go metric.

Most Americans actually seem to be five with metric and probably would not mind it too much if we just switched. The objections are basically: 1) it's too expensive to switch now (okay), or 2) it's part of our identity (doubt). I swear to God everything is a culture war with some people.

More rational people, especially in STEM where it's already the standard, prefer it.

In general though, I would argue that Americans know metric better then Europeans know US customary, for what that's worth

It's mostly about what you're used to. Americans buy soda in liters, run 5km and do drugs by the gram. But we buy gasoline and milk in gallons and our recipes call for flour by volume. It's mostly inertia. At the end of the day you have to communicate with people around you so you use units they understand.

[–] GirthBrooksPLO@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

It's funny because all of the imperial units are mathematically based on metric anyway.

I'm an American, so I started with imperial units, but I am making the very slow progression of converting to metric. I already use metric for work, and it's already the scientific standard here and has been since the 70s. It's just turbo annoying to try and get used to a new measuring system that I use reflexively especially when surrounded by imperial units. Makes it too easy to trip up and fall back.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Having the more granular temperature seems more practical. I often find myself adjusting my thermostat by just a single degree F. Do heating/ac thermostats in Europe use half degrees as increments? Even then I don’t think it’s as granular. But just integer values would be super annoying.

[–] allan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Half a C is actually quite close to a whole F in delta. I don't have a thermostat though.

[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I have not seen any thermostats in Europe with decimal degrees. But I also don't think a thermostat is necessarily accurate to that level anyway.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

lol you don’t think it’s accurate to a degree Fahrenheit? Why wouldn’t it be?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Because it's mass produced consumer goods operating on a "below x temperature turn on heat/turn off AC" and "above y temperature turn off heat/turn on AC". Old ones are just bimetallic strips where you change the trigger position with a slider, and modern ones use commodity grade temperature sensors, and neither is guaranteed to be placed particularly far from the vent.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 hour ago

The sensor is typically on the thermostat. Not at the vents. You would typically place the sensor in a central location in the house. A high quality multi speed motor AC is designed to keep a decently consistent temperature which is a bit more complex than just turn on / turn off. If you’re dropping $15k to $30k on central AC, they aren’t going to cheap out on a poor quality temp sensor.

[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

It's just not that fine tuned of an instrument. The furnace also runs on intervals so it's just going to naturally fluctuate a bit. Like with anything "it depends", but I doubt it's possible to keep the room within a tenth of a centigrade just with a consumer level thermostat. Maybe in a small room with resistive heating? I'd love to see actual measurements of this.

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 1 points 1 hour ago

Thermostats are not exactly calibrated machines unless you spend for a high end model. Put a few next to each other and they might differ 1°C, 2°F. Worse if you take the really cheap stuff.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

different units for different magnitudes

I'm not sure I get what you mean? Are you saying how we use ounces for tiny weights, pounds for "human"-ish weights, and tons for huge weights?

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I think they mean ounces, cups, quarts, gallons, with no intuitive sense of conversion between them. I personally use ounces for almost everything (cocktail recipes are in 0.25 ounce increments, big cups are 40 ounces, big ol buckets can be 256 ounces). I might mess with gallons for very large amounts, but anything that can be expressed in cups or pints I'm usually just talking ounces anyway.

[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Your assumption is correct. I meant using cups, ounces, etc separately or in combination. Especially annoying when trying to figure out portions. Serving size: 8oz, package size: 1lb 4 oz. You have to do math every time.