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Ahh so marginalize people even more who are already marginalized by not letting them discuss issues? That's your answer there?
I'm a majority of them don't care about the marginalized, they talk a big game about protecting the marginalized while supporting a party that keeps them marginalized. The material conditions for the marginalized have been unchanged for decades. Now that the white liberals are starting to fill a pinch and notice that their material conditions are changing is why support for Democrats is at an all-time low
I don't forget that the party was against gay marriage until very late into the 1990s when it was getting more driving force from the younger voters they wanted to cater to. I remember Al Gore listening to his wife to try and censor music because she found it offensive in the 1980s. They pivoted toward supporting the civil rights act only after outcry over it reached a fever pitch. You have to drag them kicking and screaming to care about people not them or accept change at all. I'm done with being their whipping boy and being forced to tow the line by trying to make me out to be the villain.
I don't forget that the legislators we elected kicked it to the courts to do their jobs for them and then refused to codify Obergefell.
Same with Roe vs. Wade. Instead of making it a law that's harder to remove, they just let the SCOTUS say something that we see now can be easily rescinded. But apparently it's too "hard" to pass laws once you have a trifecta. They can only seem to work on one decent then a year then eff off the rest.
When they recognize a marginalized group their material conditions never change. Democrats claim to support the trans community and being able to use the bathroom of choice, but don't care you are living in the streets whole making those decisions. They claim to support the black community whole building up oppressive police forces and helping build cop cities across the country, with cops being trained by the IDF, the same IDF currently slaughtering Palestinians. They supported MLK and civil rights that hated MLK after the bill was signed.
This is who's they've always been.
~ Malcolm X
I used to think you could argue on good terms with Dems, that has become painfully apparent to be wrong over 10 years ago now.
Having been raised socialist that's been my entire experience.
Wish I could say the same, it's been a long winding road.
Welll if they're just going to try to convince people to indirectly support maga, then no, I don't want to hear that ignorance.
And by an astounding coincidence, anything you don't want people to be allowed to say because it's critical of the genocide wing is "helping maga".
Nope. Once we're into elections, the only way to win is to stop criticizing the candidates we want to win. Whether it's Israeli support (which gop is way worse on), or the candidates laugh, or anything else. During primaries, fight like hell for progressives and non-Israeli-boot-lickers, but then stfu and help the better candidates win in the election.
Sure. And before elections there's another excuse. There's always some excuse to not criticize the genocide wing.
They sure do. At election time: "Now's not the time! Find candidates to support between elections and put them forth! 😡"
Spend three years investigating and discussing alternate candidates: "TANKIEEEEZ! RUZZIAN BOTS! REEEE! 🤬😡🤬😡"
Turtles all the way down.
There's not a damn bit of difference between BlueMAGA like yourself and MAGA. The party you are supporting has directly led us to where we are right now. Fascism does not form in a vacuum, it requires the help of a complicit liberal party.
If the Dems were in power now the entire world would be in a much better place. I'm not sure how you can possibly not see that. But they simply don't have the seats in either house to stop the fascists (especially considering the non-dem dems). They don't have power mostly because too many idiotic Americans fell for Trump's crap, but also because too many leftists failed to vote against him and the magas. Of course Dems are still beholden to the billionaires, and it would be great to primary out a bunch and get younger progressives in there. But they are so much better than trump/maga and if you don't see that, you are being willfully ignorant.
If the dems would listen to their voters instead of netanyahu and only netanyahu, they might have won.
Possibly. But it also could have triggered a massive backlash against them (via the Israeli bought media and the easily manipulated US electorate).
Neat how you can blame the candidates in a hypothetical that involves going against netanyahu, but blame the voters in the reality where sticking with netanyahu was what happened. Then it was the fault of those evil voters who dared to criticize your perfect genocide candidate.
It would be the choice of the voters either way. But voters are easily influenced by the media (either way). And Isreal controls a lot of purse strings. Of course it's the voters fault for being manipulated (either way), but I specifically blame those who would seem intelligent and progressive and supportive of Palestinians when they vote in a way that harms progress and Palestinians. That is just so fucked up it deserves ridicule and scorn.
Or ever breathe a word about how genocide is wrong as long as a centrist democrat is supporting it.
THERE IT IS!
You like it when people support trump/maga from a position of ignorance?
Nope, the false dichotomy bullshit.
To elaborate, you conflate not liking the Dems with liking MAGA when it's not the case. You can't conceive people disliking your slightly less conservatism with anything else other than MAGA. You're incapable of thinking of a left side far beyond the Democrats you're so far in yourself.
We may not like it, but we're stuck with a two party system in the U.S. so when you fail to vote for one party, you are supporting the other. If you truely believe that the Dems are just as bad as maga or just don't care about pedophile support, wars to distract, ruining international alliances, destroying environmental controls, trans rights, loss of international soft power, destroying international trade, etc., then you are saying that yes you support maga intentionally by not voting usefully against them. You can like more progressive ideals and fight like hell in the primaries, but if you don't vote usefully against maga in the elections, then you are part of the problem.
you can stop gloating that the genocide wing runs dishonest primaries.
I'm not gloating about anything. I think the US should stop supporting Israel. And I think maga / trump is way worse for the people of Gaza than the dems.
Sure.
Uh huh.
I see. So you've assigned a position to me and don't even read what I say? That seems rather juvenile, don't you think?
No, I just don't trust your word.
More false dichotomy bullshit and defeatism. Love it.
It's not defeatism. Push to win in the primaries, that's how we shift the power. But it only works if they then actually get elected. When you give up and throw away your vote, that's the defeatism.
More gloating that AIPAC buys you candidates you like.
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You know the genocide wing runs the party, and you know they interfere in the primaries, but you're acting like the primaries are honest, which they haven't been in more than a decade.
If you want me to believe you don't like the AIPAC shit we get saddled with, stop acting like the process is equitable.
Of course they're not honest or fair; it's US politics.
I believe there is a big contingent beholden to Isreal, but it's not all of them, and they are stuck with certain rules.
And the key thing here is that ME policy under the Dems is not as bad as under MAGA. I don't want anyone killed in Gaza, but given two choices, I'd like less rather than more. It boggles my mind that you don't seem to agree.
Keep gloating.
Not buying it.
I voted for harris. I don't carry water for her after the election. You do because she's a genocide candidate.
There's no such thing as throwing away your vote, if the person the party puts forwards doesn't represent you then you select someone who does. It's not my job to vote democrats into power no matter what, it's their job to put forward a candidate that supports me to EARN my vote. And with what they did to Bernie in 2016, they won't let someone with a sniff of progressive political discourse run as the nominee.
You can vote how you want. But in the two party system we effectively have in the US, not voting dem only makes sense if you really have no preferences between maga and dem. (Ie your ok with pedophiles running the country, destroying alliances, etc etc) And so if maga wins, unless you voted dem, you have not done what you could to stop them. So you are responsible for them winning and getting into power and all their policies. It sucks, but it's how it is. The key is understanding how although not perfect (possibly even bad), the dems are better than maga. Chose whatever you want - maga or dem.
I thought I didn't matter and shouldn't be involved in political discussions? You're sure putting a lot of effort to try and convince someone you said doesn't matter.
Democrats are not better, you believe they're better because you believe in a binary that there are only two choices.
Whether it's a binary option or not, is actually irrelevant to whether one thing is better than another. That's simple logic. A can be better than B even if C is better than both A and C. But in this case, it is a binary option. Unfortunately that's how the U.S. system works. Changing it would require a revolution, and I'm told Americans don't have time for that or even to participate in significant demonstrations, except on the occasional weekend.
But it seems that logical opinions aren't allowed on this sub as my comments are getting deleted. How sad; another sub trying its best to destroy Lemmy.
Because the left have been beaten so much by your precious and "better" Democrats that they no longer play your games. Again, great job showing your true colors as well and having a crash out over someone disagreeing with you that I shouldn't be able to vote at all. That's not very "liberal" at all.
Yeah the parties can never change that's why this next election I'm voting straight Federalist..