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[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

I haven't eaten at a McDonald's since the 90s. I refuse to support that corporation.

I just think that it's on owners to pay their staff a living wage, or for staff to realize they're not going to be able to make a decent living and move on to something where they can. If an owner can't make that work, the business wasn't strong enough to survive anyways.

I lived in Australia for a few years and think their system is far better. The only way our system is going to change is for people to reject it.

[–] kobra@lemmy.zip 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Wait you take a moral stand against McDonald's but are willing to stiff workers at restaurants and support owners that are taking advantage of them? This take makes no sense.

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

I tip 18%, which is more than fair.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The business keeps going, it finds another hungry, almost homeless person to exploit, and keeps making profit because people like you keep going. Put your money where your mouth is and do not patronize these places or you ARE part of the problem. The only way our system changes is if THE CUSTOMER rejects it, victim blaming the workers is frankly kinda lame.

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm blaming the owners, not the workers. I tip 18%, which i think is more than fair.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

staff to realize they're not going to be able to make a decent living and move on to something where they can

That's the victim blame-y part, it's very "go back to your country if you don't like it here" but "meant well," however misguided.

Tipping like that definitely is fair, it means the worker at least is taken care of, but it does still buy into the system and perpetuate it (though it is much better than those that go and don't tip!!) If you were serious about changing the system you'd still have to stop going at all (which would hurt the workers, but would also hurt the owners as opposed to the entitled ones who go and don't tip, who only hurt the workers.)

Personally imo you're fine, as long as you either "don't go there" or "do tip if needed," but the truth remains that the only, only way to change the overall system starts with the customers rejecting it.

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It also hurts me. I like going out and am not going to let the system stop me from doing that. I'm just not going to take any shit from anyone who thinks 18% isn't enough. It's more than enough, and service usually sucks these days anyways.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I mean yes, sometimes ideological stances require sacrifice if you want them to become reality.

But also nobody is complaining if you do tip 18%, it perpetuates the system still, yes, but at least it doesn't fuck me (the worker), even if it also doesn't fuck my boss. Can't complain about that, you're fine! Though on a personal level you must choose between making the sacrifice and perpetuating the system, at least you're currently perpetuating the system in the right way if you continue to do so, and that is genuinely fine, no shade can really be thrown "even" ("especially" imo) by the idealogues as none of them are willing to sacrifice either but they do perpetuate the system in the worst way possible.

The real complaint is those ones that don't tip and rail against it but also do their part in perpetuating it. Like, pick one.

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

A lot of cultures simply don't understand tipping, or wonder why they're not getting better service for it.

I think most of the pushback is because service has consistently gotten worse while tips keep getting consistently forced upwards.

Most restaurants where i live don't even have lower % options than 18% on the machines...but we're only getting 10% level service for it.

Tips aren't for service anymore...that's the issue.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

For sure, but "my culture" might not understand not tipping, yet if I go to Japan it is an insult to tip, and it is me who needs to adjust to their culture, even though it makes me feel like a bad person for not tipping. Same for those who come here, either get with the goddamn program or you're the asshole, regardless of their supposed ideological superiority to the workers nice enough to serve them for literally free due to the visitors' abject lack of decorum. It's just the opposite.

You're not wrong service has gotten worse (after covid shut down many of the good ones, and customers' entitlement keeps pushing the workers' breaking point. Can you tell I used to work foodservice? Lol). Real chicken or the egg on this one IME, the customers being absolute dogshit is literally why I left.

Though, "machines?" Honestly, and I stand by all that shit I just said, if they have "machines" you probably don't need to tip there. Tip at sit down restaurants with servers not machines, delivery drivers, or clearly family run spots you like enough (my taco truck is a prime example). The only people with machines that may need it are baristas at your coffee spot (and the machines almost always have a "custom" slot for you to type in, if not avoid the place), but a counter service spot with a machine that isn't coffee or alcohol? Don't tip. Seriously don't, it'll support changing those jobs to tipped-primarily (and they currently AREN'T, DO NOT!)

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

When i say "machines" i mean the debit/credit machines that they hand you when you pay.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 9 hours ago

Yeah tbh at most of those you don't need to tip, they actually make a livable (debatable, but they make at least $7.25/hr instead of $2.13/hr like servers) wage (depends on state, and that $7.25 is honestly probably low and out of date, but still, back in my day..)

Honestly don't tip at most of those unless they're a local place you want to appreciate above and beyond, or are coffee. If you have doubts you totally can ask how much the job pays, pretend you're looking for one, and then act accordingly based on that info (whatever that'd mean in context).

You're good dude, you already seem to be going above and beyond tbh.