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New Zealand MPs who performed haka in parliament given unprecedented punishment
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this post was submitted on 15 May 2025
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There we have it. They're making sure that Maori people won't have representation when taking away their rights is debated again.
This sort of thing always strikes me as odd.
There are agreed rules on language, some parliaments have dress code but besides penalties or fines a representative can be served with under no situation a representative can be barred from exercisizing their dutifully elected functions.
I have representatives in my national assembly with criminal charges that none the less exercise as they have been elected.
This is plainly stupid and abusive.
Layers of bureaucracy mostly exist to insulate the ruling class from anything that may threaten their power.
The solution, as usual, is to lose faith in the system and fight back in the ways you can. Namely, your wallets.
My wallet as no place in this conversation. It is just a battered piece a leather that is currently struggling to hold two bank cards, some coins and a few receipts. And my identification cards.
Fight with your vote. Support smaller parties. Be politically active. Demand change.
In New Zealand it is pretty common for members of parliament to get thrown out of the chamber for a whole bunch of reasons. In general you have to do whatever the speaker says, sort of like you would a judge in a court proceeding. There's a whole lot ( perhaps dated ) rules around treating other members of the house with respect, letting them speak when their part of the process is up etc.
I think most of this is covered by this list of rules: https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/parliamentary-rules/standing-orders-2017-by-chapter/chapter-3-general-procedures/
I don't know about the NZ parliament, but in the UK parliament upon which it is based it absolutely possible for members to be thrown out of the chamber. It's not even that rare. Famously Dennis Skinner was kicked out for calling them Prime Minister David Cameron "Dodgy Dave" and refusing to retract it.
Are you quoting some rule or just your own expectation?
I'm in Portugal. I've seen direct insults exchanged between representatives, a clear violation of manners and language, and the representative was not removed from the chamber. Their word was removed, a sanction issued, but that was it. We have representatives with active criminal charges in place that were not removed.
It changes from country to country. I some countries they even fight each other and throw stuff with no repercussions.
Long ago, in the excellent scholarly work entitled Potty Politics, I read that the distance between the lines on the floor of the UK House of Commons, that separate the two parties, is just too wide for crossing swords.
You're thinking of Taiwan?
Well....I certainly am now
That makes two, then.
<3
I wasn't but, yeah, its not even that uncommon apparently lol
Sometimes politics requires things thrown at people 🤷
You're right it does vary from country to country.
However, I don't personally think it does the process any good if thing can descend into playground insults or violence. I'm in favour of people being expelled if they can't maintain a base level of behaviour.
Another Portuguese, the world is small.
It's small for others. We are everywhere.
#JustColonialThings
Water under the bridge. We just roam and spread everywhere.
Like water, in fact 😁
Only with more mustaches.
13.2% of the inhabitants of Luxembourg are Portuguese.
I have lots of Portuguese neighbors here in California, so this checks out.
How are those guys? Friendly and caring folks? Or someone you should keep a distance from?
On one side, friendly and caring family, on the other, an asshole. Just people being people!
The other Portuguese people in the neighborhood think he's an asshole, too.
Throw that guy into the sea. Tell him to swim back. Maybe the swim readjusts his attitude. Those guys are bad PR for us.
I've been to enough places to know that good people and assholes are everywhere. But I would like to throw him into the sea!
You have my support!
Save this example for the next time some chud tries to tell you colonization is a past event and not an ongoing process right this minute