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I mean, just declare a republic ffs.

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[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What's wrong with New Zealand or Australia ot Canada or?

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Uhhh mate our nation is literally dictated by another country and we don’t have genuine autonomy?

Maybe you’re happy with some inbred Brit fuck who thinks he has a god given right to own you and control your nation, I’m not.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Uhhh mate our nation is literally dictated by another country and we don’t have genuine autonomy?

Uh... No? The fuck are you even talking about? When is the last time the British monarch made a decision on behalf of Canada?

Okay, so the oath of allegience of Canada is quite... weird:

"I swear (or affirm) That I will be faithful And bear true allegiance To His Majesty King Charles the Third King of Canada His Heirs and Successors And that I will faithfully observe The laws of Canada Including the Constitution Which recognizes and affirms The Aboriginal and treaty rights of First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples And fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen."

Pledging loyalty to a constitution is one thing, pledging loyalty to some dipshit king is so fucking weird.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It’s called Royal Assent, the GG gets final say over everything.

When they don’t like what you’re doing, they dismiss your P.M. and cause a constitutional crisis.

Just be glad you haven’t had to have it happen yet, and let’s hope your never do.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow that is messed up. It's also from 50 years ago so... yeah.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah, so within the lifetime of most of my country.

So…. yeah, it can happen and is a risk of having an unelected foreign head of state.

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

and the republic's of the world are much better?

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
  • Peoples Republic of China
  • Democratic Republic of the Congo
  • Republic of the Congo
  • Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste
  • Islamic Republic of Afghanistan
  • Russian Federation...

Then there is the USA

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

???

What kind of idiot puts any substance into what name a country styles itself after rather than how it functions.

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

ok, lets look at it the other way then?

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yup those are all European or European-colonial nations.

You don’t see countries such as Saudi Arabia, Morocco or Cambodia on that list do you?

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So, what's you point?

I have given you a list of poor democracies that are 'republics' and a list of strong democracies that many/most of which are a constitutional monarchy of some flavour or another.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

And I have given you a list of poor democracies that are ‘constitutional monarchies’ of some flavour or another.

My point is that you’re using correlation to prove causation.

[–] Merva@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

You are arguing from ignorance. The terms republic and democracy and so on have rather solid definitions in political science. Republic is not a very informative descriptor of the poltical system of a country, it just means that the role of head of state in't heritable, ie. that it isn't a monarchy. The actual political system of a republic can be basically anything except a monarchy.

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 0 points 1 day ago

no, no I'm not. I'm just pointing out correlations

[–] Merva@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A republic just means that a country doesn't have a heritable head of state. All of those listed countries are in actual fact republics. It says next to nothing about the actual political system of a country besides the role of the head of state. Lots and lots of dictatorships are republics. Many democracies are republics as well, but as you can see it is the dictatorship/democracy part which describes the important part of those countries political systems, not republic.

Many Americans are confused about this, because they have been indoctrinated into thinking that republic is the main descriptor of their system. Mainly because it was an important descriptor back in the 18th century, when most countries were monarchies, but much less so in later times when most existing countries are republics.

[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They're fine. But why not go with "Republic of Canada", etc...

Having to pledge loyalty to a king/queen upon taking office or natualization is quite weird, even if its only ceremonial.

[–] BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"...that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; ...so help me God."

I'm neither American nor from a monarchy, but pledging allegiance to your country still seems less weird than to a specific person. Like, what you are quoting still "on behalf of the United States" as opposed to, say, the president. Both are weird, but pledging allegiance to a person feels weirder to me.