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[โ€“] deHaga@feddit.uk 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

There are more and the road is long, but it is the right direction.

Doubt. Every attempt in history to centralise power in Europe has failed

[โ€“] phneutral@feddit.org 2 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

A federation can have different levels of centralisation.

[โ€“] deHaga@feddit.uk 1 points 39 minutes ago

If it ends up with a president then it's fucked. Single point of failure. A honeycomb structure of separate cells is much stronger and harder to take over, unlike a blob

[โ€“] Skua@kbin.earth 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Which attempts have been similar to the EU, and not just conquests? The closest I can think of is maybe the Habsburg dynasty, and I think we can agree that that had its own unique issues going on

[โ€“] deHaga@feddit.uk 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Napoleon is the closest. A lot of the legal, judicial, and administrative civil code remains today.

[โ€“] Skua@kbin.earth 8 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

In what fucking world was Napoleon's attempt not a series of conquests?

[โ€“] deHaga@feddit.uk 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

European history all is just conquests

[โ€“] Skua@kbin.earth 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

...so there has not been an attempt like the EU

[โ€“] deHaga@feddit.uk 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

There has. The European Communities and the EEC. Neither were attempts to create a federation like US, China or Russia...

[โ€“] Skua@kbin.earth 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Mate the EEC was one of the European Communities, and it ended because it became part of the EU. That's not a separate attempt. That's the same one.

[โ€“] deHaga@feddit.uk 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Lol no. The treaties of Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon turned a trade bloc into a political one.

That's centralising power, and it always fails.

[โ€“] Skua@kbin.earth 2 points 1 hour ago

"Lol no. Actually it was exactly what you said"