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European Union is a much better name. So lets continue with the integration.
A few things to start:
There are more and the road is long, but it is the right direction.
There are more and the road is long, but it is the right direction.
Doubt. Every attempt in history to centralise power in Europe has failed
Which attempts have been similar to the EU, and not just conquests? The closest I can think of is maybe the Habsburg dynasty, and I think we can agree that that had its own unique issues going on
Napoleon is the closest. A lot of the legal, judicial, and administrative civil code remains today.
In what fucking world was Napoleon's attempt not a series of conquests?
European history all is just conquests
...so there has not been an attempt like the EU
There has. The European Communities and the EEC. Neither were attempts to create a federation like US, China or Russia...
Mate the EEC was one of the European Communities, and it ended because it became part of the EU. That's not a separate attempt. That's the same one.
Lol no. The treaties of Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon turned a trade bloc into a political one.
That's centralising power, and it always fails.
"Lol no. Actually it was exactly what you said"
Jesus, it's just way to say it needs to be a federation with more centralized government. No one is saying we should copy any specific ideas from US.
EU is falling behind because it's unable to effectively work together for a common goal. Every country is constantly trying to protect its interests. We can't stop Russians from entering EU because Italy and Spain is blocking it. We can't ban gasoline cars because Germany is blocking it. More centralized government could solve those issues and let Europe compete with US and China.
I agree that it's needed in this day and age, when we are faced with dictators.
However more centralized powers have historically led to war within Europe. Think about World war I and II, the Balkan wars, the Prussian wars, Napoleonic wars, the Seven years war, war of the Spanish succession and so on. This is the reason the EU is set up the way it is, all countries can influence decisions and there's no dominant power overruling others. So it's a bit of a double edged sword. Centralization helps to suppress cultural differences but doesn't solve them.
Totally. I think huge progress was made in the last couple of decades but nationalism is still very strong in many countries and most people are still definitely not ready to put the good of Europe ahead of their national interests. Federation is needed but Europe is still not ready for it. Maybe in couple more decades but we'll be lucky if EU survives for that long.
Shouldn't it be about time to form the united earth government and start reaching for the stars?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Earth
What's your favourite?
I'm partial to the first one, just maybe mute the colours a bit:
Yes, you are right. The EU has proven so far to be a good start, as it's been a decent compromise between the great powers and the smaller countries. Getting that balance right is really hard, as the clusterfuck that is the UN proves.
Sure. And I mean country size wouldn't even be an issue since we're getting rid of the concept of countries. It'd be one earth. At the size of the earth. (And maybe a few separatist regions. π )
The USA is a model of excess, inequality and brutality. What kind of a lunatic uses that language or even role model? This is absolute fangirl language and doesnβt belong in civilised society.
For what it's worth, there have been many United States that aren't the US of America. Mexico's full name is United Mexican States, and historically there have been USes of Brazil, Belgium, Colombia, Indonesia, Central America, and a few more
That said, I'm a native English speaker and the article is in Spanish. I don't know if the original Spanish has an implication of "be like the USA" or if it's just a way to say "Federalised EU"
Fair points. In the Anglosphere, there are groups called Volta using this exact same phrase. The even use imagery of racist genociders like Winston Churchill in their promotional material. They call themselves progressive. I wish I was joking.
no it's fucking not
No thanks.
We don't want to build the setup for fascists to take over like in the US.
Why would a more integrated EU allow fascists to take over?
The fascists are anti EU and currently seem to be rapidly gaining power in national governments.
US fascists are also anti-US from one point of view. Their plan seems to be tearing it down from the inside. The same playbook would work in the EU.
I donβt know how to protect against fascism. But a United Europe would be a welcome addition to the world, I think.
1 central governement to take over instead of 27.
While true, i think it would be harder for something like the AfD to take over the EU central government then the german national government.
A few decades ago people used to think it would be hard for the fascists to take over the US, that they were a minority that wouldn't gain popularity or a foothold in the different branches of government.
Obviously, we were wrong. And the rise of the far-right in EU countries shows the same can still happen there.
Having close ties with each other is good, helping each other is awesome, but centralizing power will only make it easier for it to be corrupted by fascism as climate change restricts global resources and the fascists are ready with their tired old scapegoats.
Maybe for AfD, but fascists will always find a way. The RN in France always comes first in the EU parliament elections despite them being nationalistic anti-EU nazis spin-offs. If there's a place of power they'll try to get there. A "United States of Europe" would be a whole lot of uncessary risk.
Ventotene has just launched a new call to build the United States of Europe
Ventotene is once again at the heart of the debate on Europeβs future. On the Italian island that is a symbol of European federalism, the declaration βIt is time to build the United States of Europeβ was adopted and signed on 30 August 2026, promoted by the Third Jean Monnet Action Committee for the United States of Europe.