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[–] KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org 17 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Losing one (lost one?) and so let's move on and tackle an island we've been starving out for years now.

What a president.

[–] abc@suppo.fi 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Alternative take: Trump got what he wanted in Greenland, so now he's moving on to the next one in his bucket list.

I'm guessing Iran probably went a bit worse than he imagined or I have no idea what the point was there.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

He didn't get what he wanted in Greenland, he got something his people decided to spin as what he actually wanted, pretending it was some art of the deal bullshit all along and not him actually wanting something as stupid as taking over Greenland.

He got what historically the US would have gotten just by asking. It was the US that reduced presence in Greenland in the first place, they were never kicked out.

A "bit" worse than he imagined is an understatement. Iran is straightforward: a long standing problem in American foreign policy (indirectly caused by America in the first place) plus urging by Netanyahu. They had just proven to themselves that "fixing" Venezuela went way smoother than the naysayers were worried about and figured they could just do a quick killing spree and the regime would fall in line like Venezuela.

Venezuela is the only "told you so" they have, that military intervention did get America's goals in Venezuela seemingly advanced. The value of that effort remains to be proven, but the general shape went according to plan.

So now they are thinking that Cuba might be a "told you so" scenario they could kick off to somewhat get the Iran in the background.

[–] abc@suppo.fi 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah, could be, but then again, Trump has publically stated several times that his negotiation tactic is to ask for lot more than he actually wants so he can then "settle" and get what he actually wanted.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Yes, that's a very very basic negotiation strategy, anyone who has even heard of a car being sold knows that super basic thing.

However the Greenland situation is more like going to Walmart and demanding they give you a PS5 for free, and then Walmart saying "you can have it for $599" and then declaring "victory" because you never expected it for free, but you got the price you wanted. Except $599 is the list price and you didn't have to every make a stink about wanting it for free.

Trump was never that 'great' at this sort of thing, but his old age has eroded his ability to have any sort of filter that would facilitate even trying to play things close to the vest. What he says is what he thinks, more plainly than ever.

[–] jabeez@lemmy.today 4 points 8 hours ago

That's like, a basic negotiating technique known by most for...ever? Except for Democrats, of course, they begin negotiations by conceding everything they actually want if you'll just give them half of what they want.

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Cuba could hit targets in the US.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I certainly think it's risky (it goes without saying that it is also wrong). With Venezuela, it seemed you had a regime and populace that, fundamentally, were maybe mildly disapproving of US, but the regime was, in their hearts, pretty comfortable with corrupt arrangements and the Trump administration fits right in with those arrangements. Even an interview with one of the folks the regime unjustly imprisoned seemed at peace with the regime being intact, with a fairly "this sort of corruption is just the way the world works" attitude toward the whole thing.

The Cuban people have endured decades of the US working to actively screw them over, and may be less 'pragmatic' about the best way forward even if it means accepting wrong being done and may be more ideologically engaged to recipricate, even if it is likely not going to be a 'win', but at least make the US hurt for what they do.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

Epstein files distraction was a leading theory.