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[โ€“] Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 9 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Take a look at the two world wars. European "allies" went to war. Their allies joined. USA refrained until either they were attacked or it looked like not getting involved would harm them. In other words, USA are allies when it suits them. This has always been the case.

[โ€“] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Was the US any ally of Europe at the time? Who in Europe did the United States have mutual defense pacts with in the 1910s or 1930s? Nobody's asking why Brazil didn't storm the beaches of Normandy.

"Why didn't the United States take on great national expense in lives and materiel to intervene the way I wanted them to in a war that had nothing to do with them in another hemisphere for no reason?" What are you, a woman? What do we get in return, your presence?

The United States was the primary dumping ground for refugees from European massacres for a couple of centuries. We took your poor, your downtrodden, your unwashed masses in such quantity and regularity we had to set up an industrial scale delousing factory on Ellis Island. And it wasn't going to fucking stop with that PPK round through Hitler's dome; Komrade Stalin.ml picked right up where the world's shittiest Charlie Chaplain impersonator left off and started starving a city to death, and we had to save the day again and then Truman says ENOUGH OF YOUR HORSE SHIT and formed NATO.

In the 1840's the British tried to take advantage of a potato blight as an excuse to starve an island to death, the United States took on 1.5 million hungry Irishmen. That's whose side you want me to fight for?

Fucking hypocrite Europeans talking about how bad things were when the United States stayed in our hemisphere and didn't start global shit.

[โ€“] banana_pie@piefed.zip 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

WW1 was free for all between empires. WW2 you can talk about allies.

[โ€“] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Nope, not really. In WW1 there were two main coalitions, the Central Powers (the German Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and the Kingdom of Bulgaria) on one side and the Triple Entente (French Third Republic, the United Kingdom and the Russian Empire) on the other.
WW1 was a world war mostly due to those nations being colonial powers (including the British Dominions (Commonwealth) for simplicity). Some "associated powers" joined the Entente (a name that was replaced by the term Allied Powers over time) with the beginning of the war, shortly after and in general over the course of the war (most notably the USA in 1917), and the Russian Empire left in 1917 (due to some revolution stuff, but different chapter and they did not "change sides" or something) but the only nation that actually changed sides during the war was the Kingdom of Italy that after not participating initially joined the Allies in 1915 (they were part of a Triple Alliance with the German Empire and the Austro-Hungarian Empire before the war).
So no, it was not "free for all Empire vs Empire" in WW1, it was two very stable military alliances against each other whose members controlled most of the globe at that time.

[โ€“] banana_pie@piefed.zip 0 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yes of course. But during WW1 alliances really weren't stable when you look at a bigger picture. It was much more opportunistic than ww2. Germany vs Austria, Austria vs Ottomans, British Empire vs Russia, British vs French.

Latter we had this more homogeneous allied block.

[โ€“] CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 7 hours ago

I am not aware of any inner-alliance battles fought during WW1. And I don't think there were any. But if you know more than that and can provide sources, please, I am always interested in learning new things.