Americas ally is money, strangely so is Europes.
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No.
America isn't even an American ally.
Hey, at least we can all agree on supporting Israel!
FFS no, obviously not.
There's a serious amount of threats and hostile actions the US has taken against Europe. And it's not just this administration.
That's not subjectieve.
Murican here. We aren't even our own ally. Any country that considers us an ally is looking through rose-tinted goggles at what we could be, and clinging to that fantasy while ignoring what we are.
We need to get our shit together and actually keep it that way for at least a few decades before I'd expect any measure of trust from the global community.
Until then, yeah I wouldn't sign any agreements with the US that extend past a presidential administration cuz as soon as a relatively good one leaves, we're liable to put another hue-shifted Hitler in power.
Took the words out of my mouth, the USA is the enemy of its own citizens!
Also American here. The very stupid but correct answer is that America is an ally of Europe when the president is a Democrat, and America is not at all an ally when the president is a Republican. Which sadly means we cannot be a trusted ally and Europe would be wise to buy weapons elsewhere and create alliances elsewhere.
The best ally’s are ones that you don’t have to rely on when they’ve time and again been fair weather.
Europe needs to be able to stand on its own feet for more equal footing.
Take a look at the two world wars. European "allies" went to war. Their allies joined. USA refrained until either they were attacked or it looked like not getting involved would harm them. In other words, USA are allies when it suits them. This has always been the case.
WW1 was free for all between empires. WW2 you can talk about allies.
Nope, not really. In WW1 there were two main coalitions, the Central Powers (the German Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire and the Kingdom of Bulgaria) on one side and the Triple Entente (French Third Republic, the United Kingdom and the Russian Empire) on the other.
WW1 was a world war mostly due to those nations being colonial powers (including the British Dominions (Commonwealth) for simplicity).
Some "associated powers" joined the Entente (a name that was replaced by the term Allied Powers over time) with the beginning of the war, shortly after and in general over the course of the war (most notably the USA in 1917), and the Russian Empire left in 1917 (due to some revolution stuff, but different chapter and they did not "change sides" or something) but the only nation that actually changed sides during the war was the Kingdom of Italy that after not participating initially joined the Allies in 1915 (they were part of a Triple Alliance with the German Empire and the Austro-Hungarian Empire before the war).
So no, it was not "free for all Empire vs Empire" in WW1, it was two very stable military alliances against each other whose members controlled most of the globe at that time.
Yes of course. But during WW1 alliances really weren't stable when you look at a bigger picture. It was much more opportunistic than ww2. Germany vs Austria, Austria vs Ottomans, British Empire vs Russia, British vs French.
Latter we had this more homogeneous allied block.
I am not aware of any inner-alliance battles fought during WW1. And I don't think there were any. But if you know more than that and can provide sources, please, I am always interested in learning new things.
Spoiler: the answer is "no". If you must fear that every four or so years, your supposed "ally" will be taken over by a traitorous, corrupt moron, you have! No! Ally!
Fool me once, fool me twice, and all that jazz.
Now geht on with it!
I think more Europeans need to realise that the only countries which care about the security of European countries are European countries.
Canada enters the group chat.
Which is what realists have told us all along, post-cold-war optimism be damned... We were bloody naive.
Eh, not necessarily. In the last decade or two though... yeah, definitely. I don't think the US will ever recover the good will we once had.
This sentiment is a major part of the MAGA platform - just swap “European” for “American.”
Why become isolationist? It’s a weak position. What about countries like Canada, Japan, India, Mexico, etc? Just because the US sucks right now doesn’t mean the rest of the world shouldn’t work together.
I definitely think Europe should have strong relationships with good allies, like Canada and Japan. Hopefully they would both be reliable.
Mexico, potentially yes, they could be a reliable ally. As for India I'm not so sure, because India seems to want to be quite friendly with Russia (I think India buys a lot of military equipment from Russia), and Russia has been waging war against Europe for the last 12 years.
India has been a Russian ally since the West backed Pakistan in their war 60 years ago.
Just because they are purportedly a democracy doesn't make them western allies in any way. They claimed to be neutral (3rd world) during the cold war and after, but look at their actions, look at where they buy weapons, who they trade with.
They're mercantilist first just like China, but be under no delusion they would not hesitate to sell us out for pennies if we were foolish enough to embrace them.
This was a call for independence (particularly with regard to defense), not for isolationism. They may share some features, but are two are very different things indeed.
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Obviously not.
This is reaching "battered spouse" levels of delusion that the question is still being asked even.
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No it’s not. Deal with it finally.
Europe is a colonial subject at least since middle east wars started. Some would even argue that its ever since end of WW2, but I'm not so sure of that.
The problem didn't start with current admin, its just more pronounced now.
One counter argument to colonialism is that many genuinely believed in liberal world order. Some stil do.
It so happened a few days ago that the President of the USA declared at one of his rallies that he'd welcome it if someone took out Los Angeles or San Diego.
It sounds like it's pointless to ask if the US is an ally of Europe, when it's not even an ally of its own largest cities.
Europe should not rely on the U.S. anymore and should focus on european alternatives
I think Europe needs to act as if the US is not an ally. I like to think the US would fight in NATO, but most Americans don't care. Europe is a vacation destination at best.
A lot of Americans I know feel like Europe are snobs and weak. Since my childhood, everyone jokes about how French and Germans think they are better then Americans. European universities and companies are looked down upon in the US as subpar (except UK).
The thing is that Americans all know dozens of immigrants, including Europeans, but we barely know anyone who left the US. The bias builds itself.
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if you have to ask the question then the answer is obviously no
The current regime in the US is a corrupt group of traitors who don't have allies. They only understand transactional relations, even in their own homes.
The US is only on your side now due to money, power, and what you can do for the people at the top. It's no longer about shared history, democratic ideology, or shared safety on the global stage. Act accordingly.
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I think US is an ally, but a very weak one.
It's ally in the sense that it's very unlikely to side with the enemy in an actual war, but not in the sense that it could be trusted to physically help with troops and equipment under its command, should enemy soldiers start invading EU.
But, what's important is that we cannot base anything on an assumption that some sort of military help, ammunition, intelligence data, equipment or spare parts will be delivered by the US in case of a war.
So, US will be our ally again once Trump has been made powerless, but it's important not to rely on any data or technology coming from US or connected to US, because they will eventually just elect another Trump.
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