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Brett Wilkins Jun 16, 2025

Flight-tracking websites showed dozens of Air Force aerial refueling planes departing from military bases in the United States and heading to Europe on Sunday, fueling speculation of direct U.S. involvement in the widening Israeli-Iranian war.

Military-focused news sites reported that around 30 U.S. Air Force KC-135R and KC-46A tankers were identified by flight-tracking software in what The Times of Israelcalled an "unprecedented mass deployment" to Europe.

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[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 10 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Biden ran on getting back into the deal with Iran, then insisted that Iran must completely return to fulfilling their side of the deal before we would consider returning to ours.

Both sides are not the same but Biden shouldn't be let off the hook for his sudden flip on this issue.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Both sides are the same because Biden said something that suggested he might be hard on Iran (definitely couldn't be a negotiating tactic)?

Yes I know how you ended your comment, I was replying to the rest of it.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 10 hours ago

(definitely couldn't be a negotiating tactic)?

No, it definitely wasn't a "negotiation tactic". It was meant to avoid negotiating without Biden's adoring masses noticing that he did a 180. He caved to AIPAC, as he would continue to do throughout his term.

Why the hell would Iran go back to fulfilling it's obligations under the agreement when the US was still ignoring it's obligations? Why would it bother negotiating with a country that doesn't honor negotiated agreements? Everyone in the foreign policy space knew exactly what it was.

Yes I know how you ended your comment,

Then why the fuck did you haul out "both sides"? Why are so many people desperate to throw everything into that frame?

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Its one thing to be unhappy with the democrats. Its another (and self defeating) to not want to expand the progressive wing inside of it (or to form a new party and go for local elections) and to not stall alt right republicans everywhere else.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Absolutely, I just don't think it actually helps Democrats in the long run to pave over their often deep flaws. If we were harder on Democrats 30 years ago, we probably wouldn't have Trump today.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Nobody is paving over anything, you just cannot help yourself but shit on them theoretical shit that Biden didn't even fucking do yet.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 2 points 9 hours ago

Biden didn't even fucking do yet.

Yet? I'm not sure how to argue with someone who thinks Biden is still president. It doesn't seem worthwhile.