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'Starvation is everywhere': Virtual tours of Gaza clinics expose the scale of the horror (www.haaretz.com)

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We held a virtual encounter with Al-Farra and his patients this past Monday via a video call. In the past few weeks, we've sought to document what starvation looks like in Gaza, to witness the gravity of the situation with our own eyes. Israel doesn't allow journalists into the Strip, but via video we've been able to conduct real-time, online tours of hospitals and clinics.

For this article we conducted four such tours, in different places, and conducted separate conversations with another 12 doctors, 10 of them volunteers from the United States and Britain, who are currently in the Gaza Strip or were there recently. What we saw there left no room for doubt about the scale of the horror.

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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

They would have to, and they would.

This is an appeal to common decency fallacy. No one is forced to do something because it is decent. Israel is proof of that with it's indecent attacks on civilians. The evidence we have indicates Israel's governments wants to be at war to maintain its grip on power. They are actively ignoring a proposal that is effectively equivalent to one they already agreed to previously.

My suspicion is that Israel only agreed thinking Hamas would not. Now that Hamas has agreed to it Israel is in an awkward spot. And no doubt Israel would be even more mask off if Hamas blatantly surrendered.

so angry and attacking of Israel.

Because your argument is a collection of fallacies and genocide apologia. And it's not the first time it's been trotted out. Hamas isn't the organization bombing Gaza right now. And sure Hamas definitely wanted this to happen, but that doesn't excuse Israel's disregard of international law and human decency.

You react vehemently against the notion that Hamas should surrender

The idea that Israel would cease attacking civilians if Hamas surrendered is false based on the evidence of a genocide being live streamed to our phones. For Israel, the genocide is the goal. Netanyahu wants to form a greater Israel and deny Palestinian statehood.

There is no justification for attacking civilians. Calling Palestinians human shields is not a valid legal or moral argument, it is a dehumanization tactic. The fact that Israel is at war with Hamas doesn't matter. If Israel would follow international law this would end today. If Israel would acknowledge their shared humanity with the Palestinians this would end today.

Israel is the one bombing civilians. If Israel would stop bombing civilians this would end today. edit: typos

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But if you agree that Hamas is despicable, why not call for it to surrender? You don't think it would stop Israel, but it could. No, you can't bring yourself to do that. Why? Because you don't want Israel to 'win'? The chance of saving children isn't worth that much to you?

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

But if you agree that Hamas is despicable, why not call for it to surrender?

Hamas should turn themselves over the ICJ, they won’t, but this would not stop Israel.

Why can't you say war criminals should turn themselves over to the ICJ?

You don’t think it would stop Israel, but it could

The actions of one group of people have no bearing over the actions of another group of people. Hamas does not control Israel. Hamas is not making Israel kill civilians. Israel can stop killing civilians whenever they want.

Because you don’t want Israel to ‘win’?

What is Israel winning here? Global isolation? Crimes against humanity? Increasing antisemitism?

The chance of saving children isn’t worth that much to you?

No, killing children isn't worth making the world a worse place for all of us.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If we agree that Israel is despicable why don't you tell them to end occupation

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, I'd love that also. Anything to stop the killing. Of course we need security for all - if Israel completely withdraws, security would have to be provided by someone or else Hamas would just build up and attack like before.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

The occupied security first. I already told you . If hamas refuse to drop arms , a free palestine will it's army will fight them on behalf of israel. So there is zero justification for settler colonialism. Zero