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I want you to imagine talking with someone and the conversation is being recorded and fed to an LLM.
Do you think you could organize in those conditions without either one of you being caught? I really don't think I could.
I just can't imagine how anyone could organize from within the prison when every conversation and hand gesture and facial expression is recorded and fed into an algorithm. We aren't to that point yet, but it's coming.
This group wants to just execute everyone in the prisons.
These networks, LLMs, etc have flaws just like any human would. Over time they would be exploited. People would eventually develop their own form of information warfare/LLMs against it.
You're dismissing the outside as I mentioned. This is a problem even for prisons now.
They're probably the group likely to win in the right-wing power struggle.
The exact opposite, I'm saying the outside is the only organizing that matters in these new conditions. Once you're in and they have you under 24/7 surveillance the only hope is in your comrades on the outside. This technology isn't impossible to beat, maybe someone could smuggle insider information to prisoners so they stand a chance, but it's so much worse than anything we have ever faced before and I don't know why you're dismissing it.
I'm not. People have had this same problem for close to a century now. You've heard of the panopticon, no? With every new invention, new generation of technology, etc people have always had the will and ability to overcome and surmount the challenges presented to them.
Me saying and telling you that this already exists in federal prisons and that a LLM behind it makes no difference to me isn't dismissing it. It's me saying that this kind of technology and method of surveillance already exists, it just doesn't have GPT behind it and I don't really think putting GPT or a LLM behind it is going to make a difference. They are energy intensive and the scenario you're describing has millions of people under individual surveillance which is already power-intensive as it is. There is no reason to shove hundreds of thousands more into prisons to keep an eye on them when the United States already has a plethora of individual surveillance spread out across multiple agencies with differing levels of intensity. If anything, there are plenty of prisons where guards specifically don't do their jobs to control issues with overpopulation that is self-caused by cramming prisoners in as much as possible. They don't really care to "surveil" each prisoner. There's a reason the saying is "You can judge a nation by how it treats it's prisoners".
That's why I'm saying I genuinely think a firing wall would come before a LLM suite in each and every cell monitoring each and every single person 24/7. The current method works just fine and is cruel, dehumanizing, etc. If anything, a LLM might actually get a prisoner medical care on time in comparison. I might go as far to say a LLM like that might genuinely be better than human care as it exists now.
... so you're dismissing it. You don't think anything will change and this is the same struggle as the past century.
I think this technology enables stronger surveillance, to the point that I can't imagine how to beat it. This is a break from the past panopticon that relied on humans, it's new and much worse.
When you give up before there's a battle, you've already lost.
No, I think the technology and how we struggle will change, but what doesn't change is the fact that we're all still struggling and what doesn't change is that new technologies emerge that we will always struggle against as capitalists own the mode of production and how the innovation/implementation of those creations are done or distributed.
Upon further self-reflection, I suppose me saying that I don't think it will get to that point is dismissal. I'm listening to you and understanding what you're saying. I just think that the ghoulish technocrats aren't going to be able to hold onto/seize power for that long, genuinely. With climate change in the United States, the changes are going to be extremely drastic and the power grid in the United States is extremely fragile as it is. Some of the largest states struggle with that, Texas, Alaska, etc.
They are going to have to build entirely new infrastructure for this. While they are building that infrastructure, they have to build new prisons, maintain entire corporate/local governance and while they might have current sponsorship from this administration you have to really remember that they are also contending for control against the religious fundamentalists that make up literally the other half of the administration and most of the rural country. I don't think they will be able to do that against pressure and the slowly creeping control of the fundamentalists as you can only give so much to zealots before they want it all. This is what I meant by saying a "firing wall" will likely happen before full on digital individual panopticons controlled by LLMs.
I mean there's precedence for this too. Look at New Orleans, Florida, etc. Plenty of prisons just get abandoned as their power goes out, amenities shut down, etc. A multi-billion dollar prison you're discussing couldn't be abandoned like that. With climate change, they would have to considering how much of this country is going to be devastated. Continuing with historical examples, people will always resist no matter the depravity or barbarism of the conditions they exist in. I apologize again if it seems like I'm outright just dismissing what you're saying. I just don't think America is going to have enough time to build expansive mega-prison city-states when it collapses.
This small clip from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri is relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwqN3Ur-wP0&list=RDiwqN3Ur-wP0&start_radio=1
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: