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They're purging not only members of org but individual and group who are leftists. Also words from a sub member I mod, said they're mass banning Illinois leftist subs and suspended all mod accounts to suppress spreading news that Gestapo is raiding in Chicago. Also deployed in PDX.

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/trumps-nspm-7-labels-common-beliefs

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[–] zululove@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 day ago

Basically anybody under 40 lol

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 day ago

Stay safe out there, usonian comrades.

[–] TrueStalinistPatriot@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"extremism on gender/race/migration" they're going to shot themselves!? ALHAMDULILLAH!!

[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 day ago

Seems like a pretext for setting off a civil war.

I don’t want to sound hyperbolic but the plain truth is that NSPM-7 is a declaration of war on anyone who does not support the Trump administration and its agenda. Yes, it repeats the word “violent” over and over to purport only to go after citizens who are moved to take up arms, but it also directs monitoring and intelligence collection to map and target the new “evildoers,” to borrow a Bush label he took from the Bible just days after 9/11.

The partisan focus couldn’t be more obvious.

Or I suppose just a pretext to crack down on opposition, period.

But the end result may be civil war because this is so broad, it can encompass anyone and everyone. It's basically a blueprint for a Christo-Fascist, white supremacist ethno-state.

If shit hits the fan, just know that I'm glad I came here. I got to learn and find some comfort in the declining empire. You know, sometimes when I'm at the store and I'm feeling down, I'll see a little kid, smiling about who knows what and it boosts my mood right up. They're so precious and fascinated by everything, and so vulnerable and in need of care. A reminder of what it's all about. I try to keep in view that's who we're fighting for, the ones who are most in need. Not as moral panic or patronizing proclamation, but as real material aid.

The oppressor would like for you to think they're good and wholesome. That they care about family. While they separate migrant children from their parents, bomb family lines out of existence in other countries, and let their own people die in poverty. They are, and have always been, frauds. And the mask is gradually being thrown out and grinded into paste.

[–] Cecil_Bollinger@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Something something Fascism was never really defeated and "Stalin didn't go far enough". Praying is useless but I'm still going to wish my American comrades (and all the people not in the Trump designated main group) safe and good luck in resistance and organizing.

[–] Cecil_Bollinger@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago

~~(also fucking damn it I need to find a way to stop my deadass dad going on a "business trip" there old man's going to get into trouble for coming from the no.1 commie nation)~~

[–] GhostHeart93@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This really is the final straw for me. I have no friends in the rural, conservative area I live, no political groups that align with me, social anxiety, and now a list like this is going around. I’ve never owned a gun before, but it’s not an option anymore. Safety was always an illusion, but that’s over now.

[–] strwbrry_pie@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

I'm in a similar situation, and am currently looking at getting a gun as well; the anxiety has gotten so bad I hardly feel safe even stepping out of my house anymore. Wishing you the best, stay safe comrade. ✊ ❤️

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would do literally anything to get to Chengdu, now. I am literally begging.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It is easier to ask for political asylum in Russia. China is great to visit and they are very open to tourism but it is much harder to become a permanent resident there. Russia seems more open to taking people in who feel rejected by the West. For instance i recently read that a whistleblower who was forced to flee the US after accusing Biden of sexual assault and then getting wind that the FBI were about to arrest her and put her on a sham trial just got citizenship in Russia after being in exile there for a few years now.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 20 hours ago

I believe so. I didn't really follow that story much at the time when it happened in the US.

[–] Kawasaki@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 1 day ago

I've got the feeling that not the right type of extremists about gender and race will be arrested

[–] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They do so through a variety of fora, including anonymous chat forums, in-person meetings, social media, and even educational institutions.

feds "investigating" lemmygrad

[–] big_spoon@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 day ago

surely there won't be people who will try to fight violently given that the democracy pill was thrown in the garbage...drones and massive vigilance didn't save kirk, didn't save the ceo of unitedhealthcare...trump is playing a risky game...

[–] Cheburashka@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Welp. That’s my cue to delete reddit once and for all.

Can someone share that anonymizing tool that people use to scramble all their old reddit comments before deletion?

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 day ago

https://github.com/andrewbanchich/shreddit

When I used the previous version I remember needing to run it a bunch of times because it would only shred maybe 50 elements before quitting to prevent rate limits or something.

[–] durduramayacaklar@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s time to resistance comrades. Stay safe, organize yourself

[–] Maeve1@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 day ago

A Kwame lecture popped up on YT last night (I wasn't logged in so I've lost details) and the one thing that stuck with me besides anti LGBT rhetoric was that motivation means nothing without organization and that's why hard won rights during the 60s movements did not stick, and we have less rights today (I'm pretty sure this lecture was a couple of decades ago, too).

[–] jjsandwich8@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

This ain't good agony-shivering

[–] pyromaiden@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 2 days ago (3 children)

They'd have to arrest most of the country.

No, they have to loudly arrest the most vocal people and the rest will fall into line.

[–] isame@hexbear.net 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No no. They can arrest most of the country. Whoever they wish.

[–] 2moons4hills@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Basically, what I'm saying is going to happen. And the private prison industry will make bank on imprisoning all of us....

[–] Solenoid@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then we organize the prisons. We will never stop until victory ✌️

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm pessimistic about organizing modern prisons.

This isn't the 20th century. Organizing in prisons was possible in the past because they could never hire enough guards to listen to every conversation or watch every corner, but with surveillance tech they actually can. They could feed all prison cameras and microphones into an LLM and then go after anyone who scores too low on their Good Behavior score.

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Digitizing and incorporating that infrastructure into every aspect of this supposed "future" prison into each cell with staff would have an equal amount of draw-backs. It would quite literally be easier, cheaper and more efficient to firing-wall people than ever do that. Prison already suffer from chronic under-funding, under-staffing, morale and psyche issues as it is; even the most well-staffed/federal ones.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It really wouldn't be that expensive to have a couple cameras and microphone in every cell and in all the public spaces, and then to feed the data from those cells to an algorithm to detect wrongthink. In fact, why not force every prisoner to wear their own camera and microphone? Understaffing, morale, and psyche issues are completely sidestepped by this technology.

As for funding, since they can give even more money to their friends in the tech industry I don't think it'll be a problem.

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

that expensive to have a couple cameras and microphone in every cell and in all the public spaces

They sort of already do this, though. Federal, at least.

Understaffing, morale, and psyche issues are completely sidestepped by this technology.

How? If even just one thing goes wrong, the technology could be entirely side-stepped by someone who is savvy enough. In climate disasters or general upheaval from the outside could side-step as well. It'd still need staff one way or another.

friends in the tech industry

You seem to forget the other half of the ruling class are religious fundamentalists who are a couple decades away from a full on death-cult and have general ideological alignment with a solid chunk of Americans more than ghoulish technocrats.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

How? If even just one thing goes wrong, the technology could be entirely side-stepped by someone who is savvy enough.

I want you to imagine talking with someone and the conversation is being recorded and fed to an LLM.

Do you think you could organize in those conditions without either one of you being caught? I really don't think I could.

In climate disasters or general upheaval from the outside could side-step as well.

I just can't imagine how anyone could organize from within the prison when every conversation and hand gesture and facial expression is recorded and fed into an algorithm. We aren't to that point yet, but it's coming.

You seem to forget the other half of the ruling class are religious fundamentalists who are a couple decades away from a full on death-cult and have general ideological alignment with a solid chunk of Americans more than ghoulish technocrats.

This group wants to just execute everyone in the prisons.

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I want you to imagine talking with someone and the conversation is being recorded and fed to an LLM. Do you think you could organize in those conditions without either one of you being caught? I really don’t think I could.

These networks, LLMs, etc have flaws just like any human would. Over time they would be exploited. People would eventually develop their own form of information warfare/LLMs against it.

I just can’t imagine how anyone could organize from within the prison when every conversation and hand gesture and facial expression is recorded and fed into an algorithm. We aren’t to that point yet, but it’s coming.

You're dismissing the outside as I mentioned. This is a problem even for prisons now.

This group wants to just execute everyone in the prisons.

They're probably the group likely to win in the right-wing power struggle.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

You’re dismissing the outside as I mentioned. This is a problem even for prisons now.

The exact opposite, I'm saying the outside is the only organizing that matters in these new conditions. Once you're in and they have you under 24/7 surveillance the only hope is in your comrades on the outside. This technology isn't impossible to beat, maybe someone could smuggle insider information to prisoners so they stand a chance, but it's so much worse than anything we have ever faced before and I don't know why you're dismissing it.

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t know why you’re dismissing it.

I'm not. People have had this same problem for close to a century now. You've heard of the panopticon, no? With every new invention, new generation of technology, etc people have always had the will and ability to overcome and surmount the challenges presented to them.

Once you’re in and they have you under 24/7 surveillance

Me saying and telling you that this already exists in federal prisons and that a LLM behind it makes no difference to me isn't dismissing it. It's me saying that this kind of technology and method of surveillance already exists, it just doesn't have GPT behind it and I don't really think putting GPT or a LLM behind it is going to make a difference. They are energy intensive and the scenario you're describing has millions of people under individual surveillance which is already power-intensive as it is. There is no reason to shove hundreds of thousands more into prisons to keep an eye on them when the United States already has a plethora of individual surveillance spread out across multiple agencies with differing levels of intensity. If anything, there are plenty of prisons where guards specifically don't do their jobs to control issues with overpopulation that is self-caused by cramming prisoners in as much as possible. They don't really care to "surveil" each prisoner. There's a reason the saying is "You can judge a nation by how it treats it's prisoners".

That's why I'm saying I genuinely think a firing wall would come before a LLM suite in each and every cell monitoring each and every single person 24/7. The current method works just fine and is cruel, dehumanizing, etc. If anything, a LLM might actually get a prisoner medical care on time in comparison. I might go as far to say a LLM like that might genuinely be better than human care as it exists now.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

and I don’t really think putting GPT or a LLM behind it is going to make a difference

... so you're dismissing it. You don't think anything will change and this is the same struggle as the past century.

I think this technology enables stronger surveillance, to the point that I can't imagine how to beat it. This is a break from the past panopticon that relied on humans, it's new and much worse.

[–] 666@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

… so you’re dismissing it. You don’t think anything will change and this is the same struggle as the past century.

No, I think the technology and how we struggle will change, but what doesn't change is the fact that we're all still struggling and what doesn't change is that new technologies emerge that we will always struggle against as capitalists own the mode of production and how the innovation/implementation of those creations are done or distributed.

Upon further self-reflection, I suppose me saying that I don't think it will get to that point is dismissal. I'm listening to you and understanding what you're saying. I just think that the ghoulish technocrats aren't going to be able to hold onto/seize power for that long, genuinely. With climate change in the United States, the changes are going to be extremely drastic and the power grid in the United States is extremely fragile as it is. Some of the largest states struggle with that, Texas, Alaska, etc.

They are going to have to build entirely new infrastructure for this. While they are building that infrastructure, they have to build new prisons, maintain entire corporate/local governance and while they might have current sponsorship from this administration you have to really remember that they are also contending for control against the religious fundamentalists that make up literally the other half of the administration and most of the rural country. I don't think they will be able to do that against pressure and the slowly creeping control of the fundamentalists as you can only give so much to zealots before they want it all. This is what I meant by saying a "firing wall" will likely happen before full on digital individual panopticons controlled by LLMs.

I mean there's precedence for this too. Look at New Orleans, Florida, etc. Plenty of prisons just get abandoned as their power goes out, amenities shut down, etc. A multi-billion dollar prison you're discussing couldn't be abandoned like that. With climate change, they would have to considering how much of this country is going to be devastated. Continuing with historical examples, people will always resist no matter the depravity or barbarism of the conditions they exist in. I apologize again if it seems like I'm outright just dismissing what you're saying. I just don't think America is going to have enough time to build expansive mega-prison city-states when it collapses.

This small clip from Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri is relevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwqN3Ur-wP0&list=RDiwqN3Ur-wP0&start_radio=1

[–] TankieReplyBot@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] big_spoon@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 day ago

well...they don't concern about little details like factibility

[–] davel@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)
  • extremism on migration,
  • extremism on race,
  • extremism on gender

We’re to be migration, race, and gender centrists?

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
  • extremism on race,
  • hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality.

Whoooah, can’t have it both ways there, little buddy!

[–] WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 day ago

No, it tracka. Extremism on race is expecting equality.

[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 day ago

I think that's the point of this language, to include "extreme" feminists, antifascists, and black liberation movements.