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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 18 hours ago

I keep reading about how Russia's economy is on the brink of collapse just like how I keep reading about how Trump's voters are turning on him. I believe that both are (somewhat) true, but I don't think anything will come from either one.

[–] TheDeadlySquid@lemm.ee 1 points 19 hours ago

Maybe they should pull out of the region entirely.

What a fucking waste.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 186 points 2 days ago (12 children)

War is basically all logistics and the value Ukraine is getting out of their drone program is insane

[–] AlexLost@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A man fighting for his home is worth 100 fighting for someone else's cause. Russia was never going to win the numbers game.

[–] DontAskAboutUpdog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I read that as a man fighting for his drone…

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 112 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Honestly when they’re done, that manufacturing capacity will do great things for their economy.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The shareholders will benefit greatly from more war.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Never let a good tragedy go to waste.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

And when enlistment keeps dropping like a rock they will give the suicide drones to our local PDs! :D

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Do they manufacture them in Ukraine? I always assumed they got them for elsewhere.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago

Very much so, though they import lots of parts. Generally speaking the Ukrainian defence industry is operating under capacity because cashflow.

Ukraine builds rockets and the biggest airplanes in the world and has a vibrant IT sector, they can manage drones. Much of the Soviet high-tech design and manufacturing was Ukrainian, that's one of the reasons why Russia wants its colony back.

[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Given the volume they quote each year they either have sourcing figured out or produce at least some of the parts internally. Keep in mind, in FPV drones a lot of the tech is not some cutting edge stuff.

Some of the strikes at the residential complexes can be targeted attacks at distributed micro factories.

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[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 89 points 2 days ago (2 children)

God knows we'll need every little bit to rebuild

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Slava Ukraine. Be safe if you can. Wish I could do more to help. I tried to do some things with the digital forces but there isn't much left I can do that you all need.

[–] Balaquina@lemmy.ca 80 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The second it is safe, the second the war is over, I'm coming over and spending tourism dollars over there.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 points 1 day ago

They'll need it because the war money will stop immediately. They're being funded only as much as it hurts Russia. Just like Afghanistan in the 80s.

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[–] PotatoLibre@feddit.it 39 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's what many says, Europe needs Ukraine for many reasons and a big one is (sadly), their knowledge about a mordern war.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

"We need people from this big war to fight the next big war!" is the line of thinking that's going to burn everything to the ground, just like it did a century ago.

Between Ukraine/Russia, Israel/Iran, Britain floating warships off the coast of China, Indian and Pakistan firing on one another, North Africa in a decade long bloodbath, the US sending marines to suppress unrest in local cities... its not good folks.

[–] PotatoLibre@feddit.it 3 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Europe has not been aggresive at all. Being ready doesn't mean you want to go to war.

Many are against reaming Europe, thinking weapon = war, but it's not that simple. Nuke are scaring as hell, but we haven't had such a long period of peace before nuke came.

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[–] Mavytan@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago

So there's a stable inflow and outflow. I wonder what fractions are dead, wounded (disabled permanently), wounded (temporary), and retired (back to civilian life in one form or another, likely traumatized).

Alternatively, Russia is building up a massive army outside of Ukraine. That seems unlikely though, there's no news about that, I'll discard that hypothesis for now.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 62 points 2 days ago (7 children)

For context, the America lost about 55,000 soldiers in the Vietnam War, which lasted about 10-12 years. Russian has already lost at least 600,000 in a couple of years.

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 74 points 2 days ago (14 children)
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[–] PotatoLibre@feddit.it 67 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Russia it was already a mess before but considering their median age, after a 1mln loss they're as good as fucked.

Putin doesn't care about his country, but Russians then?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Tho’ it is hard – the earthly load,
The Cart is easy in its move,
The reckless couch-time, on road,
Will not get of his bench above.

In early morn we take our places;
We glad to break our empty head,
And leaving leisure for the races,
We cry, “Go on, you idler, damned!”

At noon, our bravery’s diminished;
We have been tossed and more afraid
Of slopes, steep, and ravines, peevish,
And cry, “Be easier, you, brat!”

The cart rolls in the former fashion,
By evening, we have used to it,
Wait for night lodgings, doze, patient, –
And Time tends horses to full speed.

-- Pushkin, "The cart of life", translated by Yevgeny Bonver

tl;dr it doesn't really matter the cart keeps on racing until it crashes. And then they Slav it back up and it keeps on racing. Nobody knows who or what the fuck actually holds the reigns. Also that "go on, you ildler, damned" does not give the profanity used in the original credit. Like, not even close. English isn't capable of it.

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 37 points 2 days ago

Reminds of of that scene in tiberian sun when NOD installs the new AI

EVA: "Casualties rates unacceptable, this course of action -"

Anton: "stop, Activate the reprogramming"

EVA:"Casualty rates well within acceptable parameters"

I get the feeling they take ww2 loses before they even notice.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Kelin was then asked about Russian army recruitment.

"I'm not a specialist in this area, but as I understand it we have 50-60,000 a month, those volunteers who are coming, recruiting, posting, and they would like to get engaged in this thing (in Ukraine)," he replied.

He did not explain why the size of the Russian army fighting in Ukraine has gone down despite what would amount to around 250,000 extra troops being recruited and sent to the front since the beginning of the year.

From I figure, basically by giving recruitment numbers and total numbers in Ukraine, the West can calculate number of casualties, which the West figures is 1 million. Remember casualties includes injured.

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