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Honestly, Chromium seems to have the basic features like history and passwords figured out way better than Firefox (or rather, Chrome does), while stripping most of the junk away, as it luckily happens to be proprietary Google bullshit.
Firefox has a bunch of telemetry and bloat, but the fact that my only real dealbreaker for a browser is quality adblock makes Firefox pretty much my only "vanilla" choice.
Unmozillaed Firefox for me is also non-woke...
Ironfox seems to take a fair bit of RAM and spin up my fans. Even if it's one tab doing nothing.
I do have some addons and sync setup though (with the adjust canvas setting on as recommended).
Ungoogled chrome dosnt seem to have an issue. And like another commenter said so many sites break in IronFox I need backup anyway.
But maybe waterfox or zen is better for my use.
This is nonsense
I regularly set up Firefox because I distro hop and like to buy cheap thinkpads. It takes like 30 seconds to do some quick toggles in the settings. Half of them are regular shit like tab behavior because I don't like the defaults, and that's okay. 15 seconds to install ublock. Couple minutes in about:config
Would it be kinda nice if all the defaults just happened to align with my specific wants and needs? Sure, I guess. But I'm an adult with agency and am happy to click some toggles.
If maintaining and updating a codebase didn't take so much labor then it'd be cool to use obscure single-maintainer forks. But up-to-date security and non-google alternatives are orders of magnitude more important to me than having to click a few toggles once.
So many websites don't seem to work on Firefox or Librewolf, always have to keep Chrome handy somewhere
Absolutely agree on every point. I felt this for the last few years, not just with the latest updates. I haven't updated Firefox for months (a year?), and when I decided to do it after convincing my friend to switch to it because he said he couldn't find the option in settings I told him about, I was basically ~10 versions behind. So updating it and seeing the redesigned settings that looked less intuitive and completely unnecessary, I felt really frustrated.
There's a new browser in the making called Ladybird, I don't know if it's going to be available on Windows (they say the alpha is for Linux and macOS). Yeah, I am on Windows, sadly, and I don't plan on switching to Linux, yet. Mozilla was praised for being a non-profit "good guys", but they've been really annoying, perhaps trying to appeal to the mainstream. Truth is, the mainstream does NOT care about Firefox. You need to spend all your funds on marketing it, not making it uglier with each update.
You are running a browser that's months out of date? 😐
I'll never switch to Chromium no matter what happens, not on an ideological basis, but because Firefox is the only browser that allows me to create duplicate bookmarks without manually copying and pasting it.
Vanadium is not too bad. But missing ublock_origin.
Most people aren't doing fresh installs often enough to get annoyed. There's also an understanding that Mozilla will need to do things we don't necessarily like to generate revenue and stay viable. Google isn't going to fund them forever. As long as we can turn those things off and configure firefox to our liking, we can tolerate such changes.
I know they need to make money to thrive and compete against the competitors, but there is too much to tweak after each update. And it's really disturbing just because of how Firefox once was.
But by not doing what users need, how is it actually going to stay? Is money the only needed thing for Firefox to survive? Not users?
If every update required users to tweak something to restore a setting to a previous state, that should drive users away from firefox. I haven't had firefox as my daily since late last year (zen now) but that wasn't my experience during my decades with firefox and my fairly frequent visits to the firefox subreddit indicate that isn't the case either. I don't remember an update causing a major issue since the opt-out AI controversy (v145?) so please let me know if other updates since then have had any serious pushback with opt-out features.
Also, the browser engine needs to be maintained anyhow. Moving to something like Waterfox or Librewolf doesn't change the necessity to support Mozilla.
I think the sponsored links, promotions and Ai efforts come from their crisis trying to make money and to depend less on Googles money. While trying to focus on privacy and not sell user data. That's a tricky situation to be in, if the browser isn't making money. I wouldn't call Firefox bloatware, as it is bloated like any other modern browser.
And it's not like I wouldn't have an issue with Firefox either. For long time I am looking for an alternative, and almost switched over to Librewolf. But unfortunately Librewolf have removed the internal password manager of Firefox, and they recommend to use an external manager. Which is the deal breaker for me. So even if Firefox is flawed, I'll stay with it and do the customization and settings myself, which is a lot.
You can re-enable the integrated password manager of librewolf, it's just a setting; be aware of the risk though
Oh, that would change a lot for me. I wasn't aware it can be enabled. Thanks for the tip, I will look into this.
I don't have any issue with Firefox trying to make some money by doing such things, but all these features are causing the system to use a lot of RAM too. Once we praised Firefox as being the less memory-hogging browser in Linux, but if it is going this way, not anymore.
I called it bloatware because nowadays it is filled with bloat features no matter what.
We said Vivaldi is closed source just because they didn't publish some part (the unique design) of their code.
We call Brave Bloat because of its crypto stuff.
Now Firefox has promotional links, suggestions, tracking stuff, etc.; then why not call Firefox a bloatware?
By the way, if the contract with Google ended, then why is the default search engine still Google? Also, what is perplexity doing there?
Because it is a bloatware. Like, what is the point of using Firefox? It's faster? It was never because of speed. Less RAM usage? No. It was because of privacy. Peoples started hating on Chrome because Google became evil. Then they went after adblockers. Google search became bloated with garbage results, DDG became a better alternative, also marketed as privacy-focused.
It just happens to be that out of all other web browsers, there were no better alternatives, and Firefox seemed the best option at that time. Opera was a spyware. Brave was still fresh. Actually, Brendan Eich, the founder of Brave who also founded Mozilla and created JavaScript, was called out for making an anti-LGBTQ donation, so many people hesitated using Brave when it released. Needless to say, anything Microsoft was hated with a passion.
That's why people need to keep reinventing the wheel.
Having competition in browser engines is important. Imagine no Firefox was available, everyone was at the mercy of Googles work on the core. I don't want to use any Chromium based browser, so only a Firefox based alternative it is for me. I also highly liked the way Mozilla and Firefox was operating, but in recent years it gotten worse. And using forks has some trust issues too to me. I can't trust most forks, but I'm currently reavaluating the situation.
To me Firefox is still the best browser out of all available options. The only thing I would consider is a fork like Librewolf, that still is Firefox with some bullshit removed or disabled. That's as far as I would go.
I guess its fair enough. My point was just to sympathize with Firefox a little bit, to explain their situation and why they are in it. And as said, I also have issues with Firefox, such as integration of Ai in all sort of stuff, just for the sake of Ai. So maybe I shouldn't be so defensive about it.
It was not about the contract with Google being ended, but governments involved to block Google from paying money to control the market as their default search engine. Looks like they did not block it yet. I think Mozilla wants the money, because otherwise Firefox would stop to exist. Google wants to give money too, because in the grandscheme its little money for them. But Google want to support Firefox, so they can say "look we even support our competition, we are not a monopoly, we are good".
Librewolf is a good browser. Not bloated with features and doesn't have AI installed by default.
My problem with librewolf is that, despite having RFP (Resist Fingerprint) off, it doesn't allow me typing accents from my ABNT2 (Brazilian) keyboard (I cannot type words such as "ração", "óbvio", "maltês", etc, I have to type them using kde plasma then copy and paste inside the browser), as if librewolf were US-centric. The devs didn't point me a solution when I opened an issue ticket, so I went with Waterfox instead. Waterfox allows me to type accents the way I'm accustomed as a Brazilian.
I really like Mullvad browser. Some people say it has too many privacy features which make it unusable for daily browsing but for me it works just fine.
My firefox is set to restore my last session, so I never see the homepage.
You can set the homepage to be whatever you want. No chance of unexpected porn popping up at inopportune times that way.
Only expected porn on my homepage!
At first I thought you meant the homepage was offering unexpected porn, and I was considering going back. (I live in a repressed state.)
So do I. But there's ways around that shit lol.
Librewolf, Waterfox and GNU IceCat are all Firefox forks.
For what you're asking for, GNU IceCat is probably the best fit - the project syncs up with Firefox ESR but removes all proprietary stuff and maintains it's own extensions. It has some privacy improvements too but is otherwise set up as a standard browser. It's basically Ungoogled Chromium for Firefox. The downside is the project doesn't release project binaries; you have to look for binaries in your distro (and many don't provide them) or use GNU Guix - the package manager from the GNU project (which can be installed on any system; it's a bit like NIX). Or build them yourself from Github. Details are here: https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/
Librewolf and Waterfox are both excellent but by default are very privacy focused and locked down, so you may need to make config changes to get them back to a more "standard" default browser set up (sacrificing the privacy benefits in the process).
Personally I use Firefox; I understand what you're saying but the steps you talk about are at first install and that's not something I do often so can tolerate it.
EDIT: Just checked, IceCat isn't in OpenSuSE's default repos (disappointingly) but I did find it in Fedora's repos (both standard and it's Flatpak store). So it's a bit hit and miss. Guix is universal but it's a bit of a bloaty way to do it if you only want one item from it's repos. Fedora Flatpaks can of course be installed on pretty much any X86/AMD64 system by adding registry.fedoraproject.org as a flatpak remote (alongside Flathub).
that's why you use librewolf or waterfox (though waterfox isn't completely anti ai which is a detriment)
gemini protocol
oh man its been a while since I last used it, how active is it nowdays? there used to be a BBS which was like Reddit but for Gemini.
time to install a Gemini client :D