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You have 1000 kilograms of clean, fresh water in a single IBC container in Sydney at the Opera house. You will be paid 1 million dollars if you can deliver it to Los Angeles McArthur Park within 3 weeks, or 21 days, or 504 hours. You can split the water into as many containers as you want, and the IBC doesn't need to make it to LA, just the water inside. If you deliver 2000 bottles each containing 500ml of undiluted, clean, fresh water, or like, 99% of it to account for evaporation and some spillage, that counts as a win. You can assume that any partial water deliveries that remain in Sydney or arrive in LA won't be stolen in your absence so you don't need to hire guards. There are no consequences for failing, but if you do fail or succeed, any money you spend on the project, you don't get refunded. Normal consequences for breaking laws apply.

How do you do it, or do you even bother trying?

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[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Water is fungible (or is it non-fungibel)...it's one of those

Pour out the water in Australia and let it be free.

Find a hose in LA and refill a new container.

Nobody will notice the different water.

[–] white_nrdy@programming.dev 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I assume this is happening during the water wars, so this may not be an option

[–] eah@programming.dev 1 points 2 days ago

In that case, hunt down Immortan Joe and pay him to do it. He and his goons have the experience for this sort of thing.

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Thats not moving water. Thats just filling up water. Do it in a desert ;)

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 127 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You can ship 1 ton/1m3 of cargo via any international air freight company to the other side of the world for less than 10,000 dollars.

(Source: I've done it plenty of times)

A day for pickup and transport to the airport in Sydney, 24 hours for actual transit, a day in customs in LA, a day for a truck to deliver it to that location. 5 business days to get that IBC to your destination in LA, tops.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

a day in customs in LA,

It might take a bit longer, since this is a pretty weird cargo with an even weirder story behind it.

Still, you should be able to clear it well within the states time

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Nah. It's a very basic checklist type stuff. No one cares about the story, they care about clearing cargo.

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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Bro, I can ship 1000kg of anything between Sydney and LAX on Quantas Cargo for, at most, $8,000.

That's the upper estimate, too. Might be cheaper.

https://suaidglobal.com/insights/air-freight-cost-per-kg/

You want me to book you something? I'll charge you $508K, and you keep the rest.

[–] skibidi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Liquids generally cannot be sent via air freight.

[–] mHtt@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago
[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You sure about that? Because a lot of logistics companies will gladly tell you how they do. I've shipped liquids by air freight, too. Not a problem as long as the shipper and carrier understand the terms of the contract.

https://commercialfreightservices.com/shipping-bulk-dry-and-liquids-by-air-freight/

https://overseasairfreight.com/our-services/international-courier-service-for-liquid/

https://www.dhl.com/discover/en-hk/logistics-advice/import-export-advice/everything-you-need-to-know-about-shipping-liquids-internationally

Right now, someone somewhere is shipping more than 1000L of something liquid by air freight. Not sure why you think this is some dastardly mystery. You simply weren't aware of how common it is, is all.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is interesting to me that they do honestly. Liquids shift weight a lot, which can be very dangerous to planes. I wonder how they handle it. Maybe they only put it on planes so big that the weight shift is negligable?

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Liquids shift weight based on empty space in the container. Once an aircraft gets to speed, shifts are negligible anyway.

Also, keep in mind that lavatory water and waste systems in a 747 are more than this silly question in capacity. 4 x 416 liter tanks, filled to 405 liters. So very little slack space to start.

https://www.scribd.com/document/678025063/ATA-38-51-52-et-56

Also, aircraft fuel is a liquid. A 747 holds usually more than 200,000 liters of fuel.

The max cargo capacity of a cargo-oriented 747 is 113,000kg. So 1,000 liters of water in a tank with very little slack is both less than 1% of the total cargo capacity, it's also less than even the water tanks for the sinks and toilets on the passenger version. And less than 0.5% of how much fuel is sloshing around in the tanks.

https://www.cargolux.com/fleet-equipment/aircraft/747-400f-specifications/

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks for the great detailed explanation. So ignoring the original silly question. How do smaller commercial planes manage the shifting of fuel and such. I've been on some prop planes that had a bathroom, and in some cases removed passengers because we were overweight.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuel is typically stored in the wings, so as it depletes, it doesn't change the center of gravity of the plane with regard to the lift. Center of gravity is very important in smaller planes.

But there's really not that much sloshing or shifting of liquids after takeoff. The tanks can be segmented, but just like being able to walk in a plane, there's not a lot of shifting overall. It's a constant pull backwards, but that's about it.

Smaller planes with bathrooms use a more camp toilet kind of system, with less liquid, which is all generally stored and held in the same part of the plane, so no shifting of weight in a large scale. I've been in a 6-seater with a lavatory, and we were basically told to hold it because the crew didn't want to clean the tank. But it was all in a stack in the same part of the body.

Thanks for the education. Learning makes life interesting.

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 6 points 2 days ago

I'd be surprised if you can't just ship it with UPS or FedEx.

I wouldn't trust Australia Post, they can't even ship a box of crockery across the country without it crossing the nullarbor five times.

[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 56 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

1000L of water is literally nothing on a global logistics scale.

Single transportable tank would hold more than enough. (A fuel truck, for example can hold up to about 45,000L)

Stick it on a freight aircraft overnight.

Chill for 20 days and line up how I'm gonna spend my easy money.

[–] gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

i think a ship could do it... i think they need just a little bit less than 3 weeks. probably the cheapest option. otherwise airplane ofc. idk what it costs to rent a private airplane for that one single distance.

[–] weps@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

I give someone 10k to do it for me. He can keep the rest of the 10k.

I wait a little and get a million.

[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

why are you asking this?

are you new on Earth?

Governments are crowd sourcing their problems instead of hiring someone qualified to solve them.

[–] Bakkoda@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

IBC tank holds roughly 1000 liters, costs almost nothing and can fit on a truck.

Even at 300 (over paying) you are on your way.

[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Is this some silly AI training question? 1000kg is the weight of 10 humans with some luggage for each of them, so transporting it by plane shouldn't cost drastically more than 10 passenger airfares. I mean come on. Plus you have to move it around by truck before and after the plane flight. Again no biggie. Clearing customs, who knows.

[–] MSBBritain@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Yeah, this seems really odd. Today's shipping industry is worth trillions, fully globalised, and pretty much bookable online. The biggest hurdle is paperwork, and has been for a while.

Like some others have said standard air freight costs are significantly under that 1M, and take hardly any time compared to 3 weeks.

This is a "problem" that might be worth millions to solve in the 1700s, but it's been long solved.

Fed Ex it. It doesn't cost a million dollars to air mail a metric ton of water. I'll have it there in 3 days.

[–] Davel23@fedia.io 16 points 3 days ago

Step 1: Dump the water into the Parramatta

Step 2: Fly to Los Angeles

Step 3: Buy an IBC container and fill it from a fresh water source.

Done. The water in the IBC is the same water you left in Sydney. Prove it isn't.

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That falls into the regular shipping realm. Any shipping company can handle that.

To make it challenging we could say that you're not allowed to use the internet, only phone calls.

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[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Any global freight company could do that. Probably don't even have to pay extra for express delivery to make it in time.

Right? Not a hard question. UPS could do it.

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago

I know there is a nostupidquestions comm but is there a reallyfuckingstupidquestion comm?

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'd call the recipient and ask them to turn on the faucet and explain that I'll send the water through that. That'll be $1000000, thanks.

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[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure you could charter a cargo plane that can carry more than a tonne for a lot less than a million.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 26 points 3 days ago

Yeah, I don't really see how this is any kind of challenge

I would just pay to have it shipped. That’s like four pallets at most.

[–] BillCheddar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

The only person who could fuck this is up is George Bush: See also, Hurricane Katrina.

[–] it_depends_man@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

1.000.000$? Just book a private flight. 1.000.000$ is "call the airline" kind of money. Call FedEx or something.

The smallest cargo planes can carry twice what you want in weight.

https://wcscargo.com/air-cargo-plane-capacities/

[–] MigratingApe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago

Isn’t this… how futures and even regular trading works?

In the simplest form, you sell the water in Sydney, buy in Los Angeles with contract criteria specifying what "clean, fresh water" is to you, done.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I'd call GAC or Pentagon (No, not that pentagon) and book the shipping. They're the ones we use at work for these things, as well as larger stuff, and they're pretty fast and costs a lot less that that kind of money.

While they organize the physical shipping, I'd call my logistical superhero of a coworker so we can get all the customs stuff out of the way and processed before arrival.

Once we had to ship four 20ft containers around the world fast, and we ended up booking (via GAC, iirc) an An124. I've been promised that next time we do so, I get to go along.

[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is this for a Smokie and The Bandit reboot?

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago

As others have said, this is very simple, truck the container to the airport, then put it on a cargo aircraft, fly to LA, truck it to the final destination.

You would even make a large profit.

[–] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Do I get a million for every metric tonne of water transferred?

It's 12006km from Sydney to Los Angeles as the bird flies. Garden hose is ~$2/m. I'd break even after 25 metric tonnes.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (4 children)

A garden hose is about 2cm in diameter, you're gonna need a pretty massive pump to get any flow rate to speak of through that hose. I'll be back with numbers for you ;)

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[–] Speiser0@feddit.org 7 points 3 days ago

That's ... oddly specific.

[–] one_old_coder@piefed.social 6 points 3 days ago

I open a sink in Sydney, and do the same in Los Angeles to fill 1000 bottles. Water transfered in a few minutes.

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