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[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

If your company sucked before this, it sucks 80x as much now.

I switched companies this year, and there's a big difference between working for a company that is shrinking and one that is growing right now.

[–] jownz@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

I'm fine with the work. I use AI to help make some bricks, but I still build and design the tower.

I feel like I really earn my paycheck by needing to interact with clueless people/managers.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

When it comes to my actual core work and getting things done, I'm still content. Even with the pressure to "use AI", it's usefulness is limited enough in my specific niche that I actually still do most of it. There are a couple of more mainstream components that it did accelerate, but the core of my job it kind of just isn't good at. I still have authority over it and how it is done, and I can keep it pretty solid.

However the phenonomenon of people telling me how I should be doing my work who know absolutely zero about my work is exhausting. Someone who has never written code or used any version control, even with AI for some reason is telling me I should stop using git because it isn't AI friendly because he read some article and he thinks it sounds smart to say it. Someone telling me they vibed up a solution for something and sent it out to our customers and then I get stuck trying to repair the customer relationship when it is crap, and expectations are that I should be able to fix it real quick because "the AI did all the hard stuff already". So much harder fixing slop from someone that vibed without knowing than starting from scratch, but no one believes it because it almost looks right and how far off can it really be of it looks that right?

Most days I avoid that and I do feel like it's getting better as the novelty wears off and these people with no stake in things are getting bored of slopping up stuff they find out they don't actually care about, so it is fine.

However, I would absolutely suggest not trying to get into this industry. It is an absolute shit show to onboard into now. I am so glad now that my kid had zero interest in this stuff, saved them a bunch of disappointment.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Even in this day and age, when furniture is being mass-produced, there is still a niche for those who create furniture by hand, without the use of assembly lines and CNC.

The same goes for software development.

The downside is that you need to become the creative, the “ideas man” that can come up with that bespoke solution that AI can never truly provide. And you likely have to do it on your own, or if you are lucky, in a small company whose entire identity relies on bespoke solutions and high-quality, high-cost work.

The vast majority of software developers will never be able to make that jump, just like how hundreds of thousands of furniture-makers in the early 20th century, across North America, were also unable to make that jump. Those turning out bespoke furniture today represent an almost-unmeasurable rounding error compared to the same numbers of craftsman a century ago.

But they still exist. They can still make a living. And so can software developers with the right skills and attitudes.

[–] fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago

Is there really a market for mass production of low quality software?

Maybe it's just never been needed in any of the market segments I work, but it always seems like it's better to spend 40 hours today to refactor or clean up code then to spend 10000 hours bug hunting spaghetti code. Like sure your perl script worked but for the love of all let's actually make a project with a maintainer and a code base you can reasonably attach an SLA to plz

[–] BinaryMonkey01@lemmy.world 10 points 14 hours ago

I was a developer and then manager for 16 years before I saw what the industry was becoming and left, almost a year ago now.

I used to be excited about the work I was doing, solving tough problems and working/managing great people.

Unfortunately, like every company, we had mass layoffs and AI tooling mandated.

My very last year there was me just depressed while trying to keep morale up for the team I was left with (which is almost impossible if you can't support the company).

The good news is, after I left I've made a horizontal shift to starting my own Indie game company. Obviously that has tons of risks and it's own problems, but it's been a breath of fresh air to work how I want to work, with a hope I can build a company and run it how I want to (which is not forcing AI tooling down everyone's throats).

I suspect I'm not the only engineer who's left to set up their own business over the past year, on the premise they want to start something small, with a healthy culture that they can hire engineers into.

I appreciate it's not much of a lifeline, but over time I reckon you'll see a correction with smaller companies starting up, who do engineering right and can set disruptive cultures that draw all the exceptional and clever engineers to come work with them.

[–] EowynCarter@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago

I've just seen a draft PR with 60k lines added.

No, I'm not OK.

And I'll definitely go: TL;DR , I refuse to take any responsibilities about this.

[–] NotAnOtter@lemmus.org 16 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If I could make 70% as much in a different field, I would have switched by now.

I no longer enjoy my field as a profession. There is no "solving" anything anymore, it's just prompting a bot and building tools that make it better and better at replacing me. But the reality is, without pursuing a masters in a different field, this is the most money I can make for the lowest amount of work. The field is dying and in the mean time we're taking home standard salaries.

Personally I'm pursuing a fintech specialty since IMO specializing is our last hope to survive the AI destruction. But I don't enjoy it.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

tech is one of the stem/adjacent you can earn bank originally like in the last 10years, almost every other stem is very convoluted, need wet lab, research experience, and/or grad degree(if you want to progress in a career) and tons of experience before even getting the foot in the door. nursing is making bank though, despite how bad it is it. other health field needing degree, you have to be competitive academic wise.

[–] Toga77@lemmy.world 47 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

Really?

Because nearly each time I point out that software has been getting so bad that I legitimately can't go more than 1 day without wild bugs in everyday software that was fine 6 years ago, I'm surrounded by 17 AI bros screeching about how "umm actually I'm way more productive and AI has found 6,500 issues in this code and that's great!"

Yea what's not great is when they use AI to "patch" the vulnerabilities.

You ever try to go back in basically any industry and figure out what the fuck the last person at a job site did?

Now imagine that, except instead of intuitively being able to figure some things out because human thought is at least a base to start from, you have no fucking clue what the AI was thinking.

AI is also a massive shortcut that tugs your dick anytime you use it.

Humans can't be trusted to not optimize every little thing, and AI is taking advantage of that.

I genuinely pine for a time when it was hand coded and I'm tired of pretending this is better

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (3 children)

Thing is, the ones who use ai to code large segments of code, don't usually know how it works in sufficient detail. Even the block diagram is done by ai with little oversight. The fix is simply to ask the ai to do over.

I ask the bizfolks: would YOU allow a guy in a suit with no prior engineering knowledge, but with an ai design the structural elements for a bridge for thousands of vehicles a day? What about one you use daily? So why would you allow that when developing software that is critical for handling your enterprise data and finances?

[–] uszo165@futurology.today 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I ask the bizfolks: would YOU allow a guy in a suit with no prior engineering knowledge, but with an ai design the structural elements for a bridge for thousands of vehicles a day?

They would allow it. The difference is that our societies decided that liability for builders of bridges is a sensible thing and nonnegotiable, but for reasons unknown to me you can release any piece of crappy software to the public without any liability whatsoever as long as you tack on it some terms and conditions that absolve you of warranty and liability. This is unthinkable with all other commodities. When it comes to software, the people in charge turn off their brains.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Until they lose an astronaut or submariner who is related to a senator. Then they try to overregulate, like they did with software patents.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 hours ago

would YOU allow a guy in a suit with no prior engineering knowledge, but with an ai design the structural elements for a bridge for thousands of vehicles a day?

I know people who would get an instant boner from that idea and be the first in line to drive over it

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 4 points 17 hours ago

I ask the bizfolks: would YOU allow a guy in a suit with no prior engineering knowledge, but with an ai design the structural elements for a bridge for thousands of vehicles a day?

For less money in less time with no liability? Yes, without hesitation.

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I feel like this is the difference between the people who became developers for the craft and developers who became one just for the job

If you're just doing it as a job, you tend to just want to get stuff done, as long as it works

If you became one for the art of the craft, you now feel the things described in the post. You don't create anymore, you just delegate and code review. The LLM code might even be perfectly fine. But you don't create, and it's just tiring

[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 7 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Im a data janitor at my job. Theres no real love for stuff I make for the job. Sure I do a good job, but I dont pretend im making anything other than take data here -> clean it up -> put data new place half the time.

One thing LLMs have done is balloon the amount of projects that exist. Once a proof of concept is made, iterating on an AI project becomes a bit harder than normal, since your not the one who made the initial product. Also management often wants it out NOW rather than waiting on unsloppifying anything.

And management has now had a couple of years moving peoples jobs to an AI project. Which means ironically im doing MORE work since there is just more code all over the place. And AI is starting to get expensive per token... So they are hiring again haha.

Meanwhile at my house, ive been playing around with my open source ebook reader without any AI involvement. Its fun to make a small change and look at it from all angles. Small changes to make something for me.

[–] Toga77@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly.

And it's not just programming, it's in every career, artistry, journalism, etc.

When barriers are extremely low, one side effect is you no longer have the passionate people as easily rise to the top.

You have a shit load of people with surface level or worse understandings of things in charge.

See the following:

Parts of Hollywood from studios to directors, nepotism and mbas nearly ruined cinema.

Gaming companies often sell out to go public or allow themselves to be bought by soulless corps, this often but not always goes very very wrong.

The music industry is RIFE with plants, nepotism, and absolute garbage music.

Now programming is opened to the masses.

And you even have people like Linus Torvalds taking what I think is a stance that likely makes sense for him, but is such a damning thing to openly say because people take Torvalds use of AI as a blanket "look he uses it so it must be ok" where there is SO much nuance.

I miss times before AI lol

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

"journalism, has been doomed for like 2 decades, articles are just rehashs of other online articles prior to AI, and is clickbaity. AI just does it faster, not to mention the censorship from right wing groups screeching. i assume you meant AI affect all these jobs you mentioned?

bio/biotech remains high barrier of entry, due to have physical labs, and research, but bio has its own problems for a while already.

hollywood was always nepotism, dare i say it cronyism, unless one was wealthy or have significant connections you arnt becoming an actor, or at least one that wont get you roles, aside from your acting ability. olivia wilde, pratt, is 2 known nepo people. the current trend with movies and shows, seems to insert "these people" in the show/movie where its not source material, or distracts from the poor writing. hollywoods rife with Sexual predators that hold actors livelyhoods in thier hands. AMazon DINT green lit the new SG series because the exects want the same thing as what "nutrek" was pushing out, a large audience.

swift and shareen are prime examples of nepotisms to get into the industry.

[–] DragonAce@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I'd say tech workers in general are not doing okay. I quit my sysadmin job 3 years ago and have been desperately trying to switch careers.

[–] mr_jay@lemmy.zip 3 points 15 hours ago

I moved from sysadmin to technical pre-sales a few years ago and I’m happy with the move. Though honestly I enjoyed being a sysadmin as well - from my experiences it’s more the work environment and the collegues than the actual work you do that makes or breaks a job.

[–] farmgineer@nord.pub 114 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (22 children)

I considered killing myself last night. I self-harmed for the first time in many years. My company advertised remote work. I asked if I could move far away from Tokyo and sure, no problem. I got told if RTO, then it would be close and new people only. I got permission to run a side job doing a small farm. Sure no problem.

I've been in this industry for 20+ years now.

Mandatory return to office (I live 4 hours each way). They pay transportation expenses per month at a level that wouldn't cover one day. If you're nice and apply, we MAY approve (for three months only) 2 days a week required in the office. No guarantee it will be approved. I joined a union to fight this but it's slow. They will likely still try to fire me.

I have a mortgage. I got a subsidy to move to this small town, that many in Japan provide, but it must be paid back if leaving within 5 years. I also am a registered farmer with farm land which means I legally have to maintain it properly.

Yesterday, they said no more side job is allowed. So I'm not allowed to sell anything I grow anymore, have to close my self-proprietorship, and have to close my company (which has tax impacts on me because now nothing counts as expenses and I lose my ability to do special tax forms). They apparently want food to rot. They want me to rot. The farm was not even yet at a point to make me money. They falsely claimed I got subsidies for farming (I did not and do not) and that it's no longer just selling extra produce (it still is) and is a full-scale farming operation (it is not). My sales were like 10k yen last year and maybe will get to that this year.

My wife does not work. There are few jobs out here. No remote jobs in the US or Canada are responding and few would even allow Japan time zone even with overlap. Remote jobs for a backend engineer (primarily golang lately with very rusty Java somewhere in my brain unused for many years) are basically non-existent. I've applied for jobs in the EEA but, as a non-EEA-citizen, I can basically go fuck myself. My body is way too messed up (multiple broken bones, back issues, etc.) for any really hard manual labor.

So I lose my job, I lose my income, I lose the house, I will never get another mortgage in Japan again, there's no point to being alive. My wife's birthday is coming up, which is basically what stopped me. She'll have a better life without me and at least the house will get paid off so she can do whatever with it.

Living in an apartment in Tokyo would also violate the terms of my mortgage making me lose it (on top of losing a huge chunk of my paycheck) and would also make it impossible to keep up with farm maintenance, let alone the rest of the house and property.

I am fine for now. Just not sure I'll survive any future attacks from my company. Thanks for the kind words.

[–] felixwhynot@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Sorry to hear, thanks for sharing. We are with you.

Nolite te Bastardes Carborundorum

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 7 points 17 hours ago

Wow, I'm so angry for you. But your wife would not be happy to lose you, so don't tell yourself you'd be doing her a favor by dying.

It sounds like you're in an impossible situation, and it truly is a bind, but have you explored whether you have any legal recourse? Your company set you up to fail by making promises they didn't keep. Do you have those promises in writing? Emails, texts, contract terms, anything?

Is your wife Japanese? If so, she can help you communicate with a lawyer. I know Japanese law is very neoliberal and pro-corporation, but this seems like exceptional circumstances so it would be worth at least looking into.

In any case, breathe. Whatever comes, you still need oxygen.

[–] apudgypanda@lemmy.zip 8 points 18 hours ago

I'm sorry for your situation. Other comments have pointed out that legally you don't have to comply with the "no side job" bs, so i agree to keep proceeding with it, and if they try to fire you, bring in the lawyers.

On another note, stories like yours are why I want to watch the entire system burn, using executives as fuel for the fire.

Better to resist and flip the bird to these asshats rather than comply in advance.

Good luck to you, keep fighting, and never give up, if only to spite the bastards

[–] robear@lemmy.zip 15 points 21 hours ago

I wish I could help more, but the old "side jobs are forbidden" being in the company handbook is legally flimsy, if not completely unenforceable. Just because your company says so, or it's in your contact doesn't actually make it legal.

The MHLW states that it actually has to provably interfere with your job in some way. The hours outside your day job are your own, not your companies. Don't close your kojinjigyo and just submit your own tax adjustment every year. Unless you're making lots of money your HR won't even know.

[–] devaly@ani.social 69 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm very sorry for your situation. Please do not let these fuckers decide what you are worth, and leash you.

Your wife loves you, and you are more important to everyone around you than to your company. Live for your love, and your friends. Even if your life has to change a little, that's not the end.

make your way out of that company painful. Point fingers, humiliate them, politely. Call the media, do the drama, make them feel ashamed.

Best of luck, do not quit life, you are bigger than them.

[–] farmgineer@nord.pub 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Call the media, do the drama

Even saying 100% true things, this gets you sued in Japan. This is specifically why I don't name the company.

[–] devaly@ani.social 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you will be fucked either way... Create a trail, try the good path first. Humanize, try sympathy.

If they don't care, threat media exposure, Japanese are really prideful and that hurts them the most

[–] Khaliso@slrpnk.net 24 points 1 day ago

And I assume that you (and many others) were being lied to about this RTO policy, so you'll most likely have public sympathy on your side. Also, you can start a GoFundMe (or similar) to support you in your Situation. Be vulnerable, let the communuty pick you up. And when you're up again, pay the compassion forward.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 4 points 17 hours ago

Lawyer up. Meanwhile, just keep doing what you're doing. I refuse to believe living on a farm counts as a side job, especially since it's not for meaningful profit, especially since it's not the same line of work.

[–] theherk@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

I’m nobody in your story, but you’re now somebody in mine, because this is so relatable. I can only commiserate with you, but I can’t fully understand the stress you must be under. My employer is doing much the same, and it breaks my heart how many people around the world are or are about to be in similar situations.

The crushing weight of executives not giving a fuck about the harm they are causing is both enraging and deeply saddening.

But what makes life worth living is a moving target. I have, a few times, seen no light in the dark. But then, somehow I crawl back out and see all the reasons I still want to be here. I hope you find a way to okay. If nothing else, “I want to watch it all go down. I want to see the world give way.”

[–] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago

People have already given you good advice, so I'll give you a less than stellar advice: don't become statistics, every year lots of people kill themselves due to their work or die of overworking in Japan and nobody gives a fuck. You're not the wrong person here, so why would you suffer by yourself? If you're fucked either way and has nothing else to lose, do something real about it. I saw your comments about getting sued, does it matter? Bro, you were considering taking your own life, justice matters more. If you think you still have shit to lose, then don't even entertain taking your own life.

With your backend skills in golang, is there any business you can start on your own? Do you guys have savings that would allow you to live for a while without your main work? Don't give up, bro. As long as there's still some alternatives, keep going. And, please, if you and your wife truly do love each other, go talk to her about this.

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[–] call_me_xale@lemmy.zip 69 points 1 day ago

If you get the opportunity, join a union.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 44 points 1 day ago

Capitalism. The people calling the shots and keeping the profits are not the people doing the work.

It's bad and will continue to be bad for everyone except the top layer of rich people.

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