The Deprogram

If we never speak to those who disagree we'll never recruit new members. It sucks sometimes, and obviously there are people who will refuse to acknowledge the objective reality they live in. But assigning labels to others do dismiss was exactly the mistake the Mensheviks made towards the peasants. I still argue for spending energy on recruiting 10 easy candidates rather than 1 difficult one but isolating to only like minded people wont build revolution.

I have a liberal friend who stopped talking to me for a month because I called Kamala a zionist. He was a big Mamdani fan too but seems to have backtracked a bit since he started getting crucified online. They have no scientific or logical basis for any of their political views.

It sounds to me that this liberal was the one who decided to stop being friends. At some point though, you do reach the end of the rope with liberals, and that's where you get the "So where are the revolutionaries coming to save us???" type shit. That though, is probably a result of too much theory and not enough practice, at least in my experience. If you don't have the ability to be like, "Why don't you come to an event with me and my party/org" because you're not in an organization, you really have no way of demonstrating what you're talking about to anyone. It's a lot easier to say "Well, I'm doing " than it is to say "Well you should be doing ". People are probably more receptive to the former than the latter.

I used to be friends with a liberal, but he became a Marxist. Still close friends and reading Marxist texts together in a book club. I know it's very rare, but it can happen. I had plenty less good experiences too. Another friend that I had a huge argument over Palestine with over a year ago became at least way more left and they recently apologized to me telling me I was right from the start.

If you predict the direction that the US is going based upon historical trends, you will usually be right. If you predict where it is going based upon which party is in office, you will be wrong about half the time. Yes, there is no good reason to believe it would have been different under Kamala. You could've predicted the increase in ICE funding, for example, by looking at the trend that every administration prior, both Republican and Democrat, consistently have increased ICE funding. Kamala was even literally campaigning on massively increasing funding to border control agencies. Liberals just live in a fantasy land whereby it is always a utopia in their counterfactual world that doesn't exist and then scoff at you and say you are too absurd to take seriously if you question that their counterfactual world would've really been all that different, yet never provide evidence to suggest it would have been.

You have to approach liberals with the knowledge that they have a bourgeois education that lacks many fundamental concepts. Definitely avoid talking about a concrete revolution in the USA to someone who only knows a caricature of revolution etc etc.

Spouting controversial talking points to liberals is less than useless. They are scared of sudden movements and will just bark at you or run off and do this.

Nobody becomes a Marxist-Leninist in a day.

My most successful method for conversion so far has worked twice: Establish yourself as hating the most heinously evil billionaires (they always hate them too) -> expand that to ALL billionaires -> Talk about China executing these billionaires -> glaze the hell out of China -> Tell them that China is communist > when they say nuh-uh China is capitalist, THIS is the perfect opportunity to teach them about dialectical materialism and the communist manifesto, and if you're lucky you might get them to listen to the 90 minute audiobook.

Thank Christ for China. Otherwise this would be impossible, and I myself would have remained ignorant.

I don't know why liberals keep reading privilege into a desire for revolution, because then what are the oppressed?

Advocates for incrementalism?

Hot take, but I don't think that isolating ourselves is gonna help us in any way. Also, not all libs are made equal; the less fanatical might actually listen

This is how you're speaking about liberals?

I don't understand