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Not necessarily a neuralink specifically, just any genre or type of cybernetic implants, if they were or will become available. I'm super hesitant on anything interfacing with my brain so I'd probably stay organic, except like if I lost my eyesight or hearing.

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[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

It depends.

If it is somehow able to be powered by the sugars in my body, doesn't need external recharging, and does not have any network connectivity, especially if it's an upgrade to what I currently have, probably.

If it fails any of those three tests, then probably not.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 5 points 1 day ago

New Chrome? Well Cyberpunk made it seem fun, but in reality you'd get so many ads...

[–] FRYD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago

Definitely. I couldn’t afford to anyway, but I would not want to be one of the early adopters. But eventually, they’ll be hacked and it’ll be possible to remove any insidious corporate “features” and I’d be left with all the benefits.

[–] gastroglizzy@piefed.social 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Someone hasn't played the Deus Ex series...

No. Restoring human-like capability following some kind of traumatic event, sure.

"Nothing voluntary" and "nothing that grants superhuman abilities" are the bare minimum to make sure it doesn't turn into an arms race, leading to a tiered society with the enhanced elite ruling over the organic poor.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thats more a capitalism problem though. Literally any technology increases human capability in some way, its just usually not as visceral a way as something that modifies one's body, and then you still get the issue that those with wealth end up owning that thing and controlling what it is used for to their own ends, which generally dont include sharing that control with everyone else. Theres not some distinction between that capacity increase being external or internal that makes the latter lead to inequality but not the former.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I'm so tired of not being able to have amazing things because a few hundred assholes want to cosplay as Smaug...

[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 4 points 2 days ago

Both of those lines will be crossed of they haven't already

[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 2 points 2 days ago

You mean like glasses 250 years ago?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 9 points 2 days ago

Yes. But it must be superior to human flesh in every way, we have to have solved rejection, and for limbs, they need to be able to still have a sense of touch. Then I'd like to have a whole closet full of shells I can change daily, like Ghost in the Shell.

[–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nice try, Sarif Industries. I've played some Deus Ex, I know how this goes.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

ITT: Aug scum.

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago

Im not against it, but im not rushing out to get them or anything.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I really wonder about the blindness one. Cameras are simple now, we just need a way to feed the information into the brain. It doesn't need to be anything as fancy as an eyeball, just glasses with a camera.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

It's been done. There are some people with cybernetic optical implants which give limited vision.

The company that did this went bankrupt, and a patent troll bought the patent. The implants are now rotting away inside the heads of the original test subjects, and no doctor knows how to remove them because the procedure is also part of the patent.

[–] OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, just seeing the headline was a yes - but yeah nothing for the brain, just robot arms and legs and eyes for now

[–] ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Out of curiosity, what advantages do you see yourself getting with robotic limbs? If I were to do a body part it would probably be spine for all around better body support.

[–] OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah pretty much what you said, better body support to help with aging... fuck that sounds so lame compared to me wanting robotic limbs in my twenties so i could jump really high and punch shit

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

You know that nut and bolt that's in an incredibly stupid place and you'd need like 4 adapters and a swivel just to reach it but then you have to also hold the nut in place so you'd need pliers designed by Dr Seuss to be able to grip it without not getting in the way so you just tighten with the tips of your fingers in little wiggles and hope it will hold?

Fuck that, my finger and thumb have the torque of an industrial impact wrench and I can disassembled a fucking train like I'm opening soda bottles.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago

You would kick so much ass at Beat Saber, you'd be the number one player in like a day!

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Lotta badasses in here who would never compromise on their ideals of software purity.

That is, until the very moment they became disabled or unhealthy in a way that an implant with proprietary blobs can fix..

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

I mean, technically, I already have one. My heart keeps stopping so I have a loop recorder implant that talks to my phone and reports back to my cardiologists.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/implantable-loop-recorder/about/pac-20579708

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 4 points 1 day ago

I wouldn't want them. Too much that can go wrong.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Not sure what I would be able to get that's an improvement on my current body. Maybe something that behaves as a mouse/keyboard? It could be interesting to have something that skips songs playing or can click the TV interface but not sure why I wouldn't just get 5 mice or have a programmable IR blaster on the phone. Even something minor like a chip in the hand for RFID sounds better served with a smart ring since a power source, replacements and programmability sounds better than essentially just having a card chip in the hand. Make the ring into a solar panel with a physical on/off switch and it fits all my requirements.

So probably not anything, only possibility is that I lose something such as hearing, vision, leg and I get a replacement.

[–] neidu4@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Only if I can control the implementation, which means open source and selfhosted uplink

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Heavily depends on what they do, how reliable the tech is at the time, and who makes them, realistically for anything that I expect to actually become available in my lifetime, the answer is probably not

As a general concept, Im quite favorable towards the notion of using technology to change the human condition (Id consider myself a transhumanist), but that assumes a given change is both desirable and significant enough to be worth the personal risks (for example, of surgery), and I cant think of much that any relatively near future cybernetic implant would be likely able to do that would actually be a meaningful improvement. Restoring lost function is one thing, but at the moment I dont have any personal need for that. Most ideas Ive seen suggested beyond that boil down to "using your brain to control a computer", which well, is something your brain can already do, its just using your hands and senses in combination with traditional input and output devices to do it.

There are hypothetical things that one could imagine an implant doing that would interest me, for example, one could picture something that could add visual information of parts of the light spectrum one cannot currently see, or additional appendages beyond the natural number (maybe that goes beyond a simple implant though), or even more speculatively, one could picture some implant containing clusters of real or simulated neurons that can be trained to add additional capacity to the brain in some way. But, so far as I can see, nothing like that is realistically going to exist for quite a long time, and I would be extremely skeptical of anyone claiming otherwise, because modern technology companies love to sell hype.

Theres also the consideration that, well, you would need to really trust the manufacturer, programmer etc of any such device, the more so the more invasive it is and the more you anticipate relying on it if it is useful, and I would not trust, well, any manufacturer operating under the current economic model that would actually have the resources to develop and test such a device. For anything you incorporate into yourself like that, robustness, available maintenance and personal control over all aspects of the device are paramount, and those things are not the things that let a technology company maximize their profits.

[–] DeadWorld@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

Yes, I would; but not with any of the corperations that exist now. You have to be picky about what kind of IP/hardware you put into your body. Id also never get a v1 product if I could help it.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Depends on the definition of "cybernetic". Is a cochlea implant cybernetic? Is a replacement lens one? A tooth filling?

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 3 points 2 days ago

You mean like the useful type we see in Ghost in the Shell or the shitty type that we'll see IRL?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 2 days ago

I mean like the way it is in cyberpunk I would be very resistant but it kinda seems like you could not get by in society without at least some. So I will resist as long as I can I think. Granted if im like disabled and it can allow me to function at non disabled level or better. then also I would get it.

[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My initial reaction was a strong yes, but after a bit of thinking the realistic options are really limited. Most of the cool stuff from cyberpunk fiction is completely implausible or useless to me personally.

  1. Durability. Metal bones, subdermal armor. Resisting small arms may be possible? But it's useless. Even if you're a soldier or an American schoolkid, people would start using higher calibers once this becomes a known technology. Resisting impacts is impossible because all the force would hit the weakest link (heart, lungs brain). You'd need a full body replacement with a remote brain, which is sci-fi nonsense and comes with its own drawbacks. I think the most likely risk to me would be head injuries (car accident, falling over), you can't really avoid that without removing the brain, or adding padding like a built-in helmet. If I wanted to wear a bike helmet all the time I could do it right now, but I'd look like a chud.

  2. Arm Tools. Gun arm, scissor hands. Just carry a normal one. The only useful thing I can think of is a hidden weapon, which would be illegal and useless for most people. Again, every security operation would start scanning people to counter them.

  3. Super Strength. Most useful lifts involve your full body, you'd need to replace the whole thing or you'll risk straining something. An exoskeleton might work, but why would you make it part of your body? Plus, if you're performing an industrial process, there's probably a more efficient way with custom tools. It could be usable if it's within the normal range of strength, and it'd save you some time at the gym. Also, maybe a super-strong hand would be useful for grip strength?

  4. Extra Limbs. Your brain isn't structured to control these. Might work with a brain implant, but this would be very advanced technology if it's even possible.

I think brain and eye implants are the only things that'd be useful for a normal person. For brain implants it's hard to say what's realistic. Eyes, you could add different modes and switch quickly, that might be useful? But how likely are you to need this with no notice. Just wear goggles. I'd still get it for the cool factor tbf.

I think the main use-case would be as a social tool to keep mildly offensive things on your person, using an argument from bodily autonomy. But then this is only socially acceptable if they're widespread, which requires them to be useful in the first place. I wouldn't want to do this and look like a total loser.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 2 days ago

Given that people lost their sight because a company went bankrupt, no.

[–] Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

I don't trust companies to even give me usable software anymore, let alone functioning hardware.

they have no business touching any human in a medical sense.... HELL NO

If I can build my own and mentally switch off any sensory input from them at will, probably. Otherwise I’d probably stray away from implants unless I really needed a prosthetic.

I’d also be much more keen on the idea if I knew i could easily fully swap bodies in the event I accidentally fuck one up with the mods. Like if it was more on the side of “Ghost In The Shell” cyber-brains (assuming sclerosis wasn’t a big problem) I’d be pretty stoked to get a full body prosthetic to avoid aging and such knowing I can survive as just a brain-case in an emergency.

[–] DaGeek247@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago

Right now, there is no such thing as a completely open source laptop/desktop computer. You can have an open source operating system. You can even have an open source bios in the form of libreboot. The hardware however, is impossible to have as open source too. intel, amd, and arm all have closed source binary blobs in them. Risc-v might be an option, but frankly, I don't expect any for profit company to make their hardware accessible in any sort of intentional way.

I will never willingly put any tech inside my body that isn't entirely open source. (Just you watch, i'll make a fuss about the pacemaker tech I need to have installed in 50 years!) Since this currently excludes every major hardware company in existence, I don't expect to ever answer this question positively.

Boy that’s a tough question because I actually am looking at losing my eyesight in a way that could potentially be fixed by such things, and I am generally supportive of the idea of being a cyborg (anyone with a pacemaker is already one, some of them get great joy from hearing that)

I think it depends if they can put me sufficiently under for the surgery that I’m not consciously aware of it. I don’t think I could undergo brain surgery awake. My anxiety is waaaaaaay too bad for that. I’d be a disaster.

I would also need assurances that the device would be useable for my entire lifetime, or could be replaced as needed, unlike joint replacement which you only get a couple tries with, IIUC.

I probably wouldn’t be super into replcing good parts, depends what the perk is.. but most of my parts are wearing out already anyway so thats only a concern for a short time yet.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

If it were a long-term medical solution

[–] Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I'd like to live as long as possible. I'd definitely replace any part of my body with anything that makes that a reality.

[–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago
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