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Microsoft is being sued by a man who feels cheated by the current plans to sunset Windows 10. He makes some good points, but I doubt he'll win.

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[–] thatcrow@ttrpg.network 1 points 13 minutes ago

They did say it would be the last version.

Anyone who bought Windows 10 expecting that to be true got scammed.

I hope the corporation has to pay trillions.

[–] iterable@sh.itjust.works 31 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Never forget we were told Windows 10 would be the last version. That all updates from then on would be only to Windows 10.

[–] BillyTheKid@lemmy.ca 12 points 20 hours ago

This is my big beef. Last version. Sounded great. We've been betrayed.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 18 hours ago

That was one person who phrased something poorly and it was taken out of context. Sadly.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 2 points 19 hours ago

Literally why I paid for a new version instead of... Finding other ways to install it.

That's on us though for believing scumbag corporations won't just straight up lie to sell stuff I suppose :(

[–] pokexpert30@jlai.lu 38 points 1 day ago (8 children)

People will do ANYTHING but switch to linux, huh.

[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 13 hours ago

I wish more people were willing to give Linux a shot but I also understand that for most of them its a matter of the devil you know versus the one you don't. They don't want to learn a new OS when they can just to do their banking and watch TikTok with what they have.

[–] Iunnrais@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago

Some key software I need to use doesn’t work on Linux, and is unlikely to be able to in the near future, sorry. I did use Linux for a while, mind you, and I more or less like it… but a computer is only useful if it runs the software you need to do the things you want to do with it.

I don’t want to downgrade to windows 11, but I’m going to be forced to. And to even do that I’m going to need to bypass the hardware authenticator, as I’m apparently ever so slightly behind their so-called minimum requirements, which aren’t really minimum requirements but just a push to get me to buy a new PC I don’t need.

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 9 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

My daily driver laptop, home servers, media center, NAS, etc are all Linux.

My gaming computer isn't -- as much as I would like it to be. There are certain things (particularly VR) that don't want to work well in Linux.

[–] vithigar@lemmy.ca 6 points 21 hours ago

I'm in exactly the same boat. Five linux machines in the house plus two windows gaming rigs, mine and my partners.

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

Which VR headset? Don't have problem with Valve Index or Quests.

[–] Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social 2 points 16 hours ago

Businesses are locked in and the people making the decisions aren't IT people. I did the Win11 conversion at my last job and have been working on it at my current position. It might just be my social bubble, but the only people worried about Win10 is corpo.

[–] absentbird@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I've found that many people will go to great lengths to avoid learning anything new.

They want to be able to ignore their computers as much as possible, even considering the prospect of alternative software is taxing and upsetting for them.

I think that's basically how Microsoft and Adobe are so successful, they bought and cheated their way into the default position, and now they can do whatever they want with no real repercussions.

The user wants to click on the same icons with the same names as before, sometimes it's as simple as wanting the same name; if it's not called 'outlook' they don't want it, doesn't matter how well it works.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

So I'm partially on board with you.

HOWEVER, windows 11 is dog shit. It's been over 2 years and is still broken. Missing many features that are available in 10, some super basic shit.

Don't even get me started on teams/teams classic/teams new, outlook classic/outlook new (also dog shit, dragged a folder inside a folder and it fucking vanished. Had to disable "new" to get it back). Fuck new outlook. I feel like Microsoft is fragmented with what they want to do and not going anywhere, so we're here with half broken paid app$.

Coupled with the fact 11 is really pushing ai crap, won't run legit on decent hardware, people are tired of having to buy a new computer every four years. I'm still running an 8th gen, spent $2k+ when I made it and other than being able to play newer games, it doesn't feel like a thing changed under the hood. I upgrade as needed, added a little more ram and recently got a 3070 GPU, but there is zero reason to replace my machine. Even though 8th gen is the cut off for TPM requirements, my point still stands.

I have several 8th gen dells I used as servers, no reason to replace those for an ad riddled operating system.

Wanting to change and being forced to upgrade are completely different things and I see both sides, having people learn something new and forcing it for "reasons" is bullshit.

[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I'm fairly techy have a technical job that involves programming, data, and implementation. And I'm still on Microsoft and stock Android. It's really not that complicated for some of us. I'm not on my phone or home computer that much, I have a mile long "to do" list. I'd love to switch over, but it's a super low priority. Even if it would only be a few hours, that's a few hours I could be doing anything else.

[–] absentbird@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Windows in particular I think gets overlooked as 'good enough', it's only when you get into Linux that you really understand how far it has strayed from the light.

You don't need to spend hours and hours to start, you can dip your toes in with WSL, maybe use a Linux VM for a few tasks that make your life easier at work. It's not an all-or-nothing affair, but having proficiency in more than one operating system is great professional development regardless of your personal computing preferences.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Until Linux uses pretty pictures it won't be a thing

[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 13 hours ago

Linux would find a larger audience if developers remembered that not every user is a power user.

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[–] noverby@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

Come on, just leave Windows all together

[–] UltraMagnus@startrek.website 64 points 1 day ago

The assumption that you'll lose a lawsuit against a large corporation probably stops a lot of viable lawsuits from ever happening - good for him for giving it a go.

[–] DannyMac@sh.itjust.works 80 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hey, Microsoft said 10 was the last version of Windows...

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's the last version of Windows I'll ever install, so the statement was accurate but incomplete.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

The last version I'll ever install was 7, so I guess they're back to lying!

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

I assume the top-level takeaway is that we're all getting pushed to Linux, but just on slightly varying timelines. :)

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

7 was great, but 10 leveled out really fast and was amazing for a decade. Legit OS.

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[–] garretble@lemmy.world 69 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm old enough to remember when MS said Windows 10 would be the last Windows and they'd just update it over time.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Kinda glad that wasn't the case because those of us who've been using Windows 10 all this time would just end up with what Windows 11 is but masquerading as Win 10.

I'm more comfortable with being pushed back into the Linux pool and relearning how to swim those waters.

[–] LePoisson@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

Having gone from 10 to 11 - it's pretty much windows 10, at least to an average user like myself ... I'm tech savvy enough for Linux but I prefer windows for gaming.

Have to say so far I'm pretty happy with windows 11 but I'm just a random guy who uses it to play video games and that's about it on that PC so if you're doing anything crazy under the hood I'm sure there's some noticeable differences.

[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Good, fuck ‘em.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (15 children)

I hope he wins.

Windows peaked with XP. 7 was alright. 8 was a free fall of a downward slide falloff.

Appified overly complicated slop and bloat filled garbage ever since.

[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Win 7 for me. It didn't try to fix what wasn't broken.

Win 11, like so many things today, feels like it's just hostile towards users. They change shit for the sake of it, like where the fuck is My Computer? Why is it so bloody hard to find anything from the start menu, no I don't want to search Bing for a settings menu thats in every other version since I can remember, no I don't want be reminded every 3 days to give you my data for "customization" purposes.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Win 2k pro was best. Fight me;) I hated the fisher price look of XP.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

the fisher price look of XP.

Thank you for my belly laugh of the day. 😂

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