change.org doesn't do shit and it's bad for privacy and anonymity
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The linked petition says:
The European Parliament MPs must vote AGAINST Chat Control legislation during EPlenary vote in June-August 2021.
It's not even up to date. And it only has 1.8k signatures.
Is there more actual petition?
Not a petition exactly but I found https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
There might be others, I didn't look that long and I'm not in the EU so idk
This one is great and asks you to contact members of the European Parliament
I'm fully onboard, we have to fight this for everyone's sake.
Not completely related, but is this 100-mil-in-profits the best option to gather signatures?
Via wiki/Change.org:
Change.org is a website which allows users to create and sign petitions in an attempt to advance various social causes by raising awareness and influencing decision-makers. The site is a US-based for-profit company and claims to have 557 million users as of August 2025.
Isn't there a EU site to petition?
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/petitions/
Going to sign it when it's there and not on some US site.
Didn't even know there was an EU website for that. Would be neat to have it there.
Here's a tool to quickly email you're representatives about chatcontrol. It's really easy to use and is generally great! https://fightchatcontrol.eu/#contact-tool
But it's for EU citizens only right ?
For now
Yes
Oh so this was the real reason they wanted interconnected chat apps.
Fucking hell. When does it stop? It's gotten shot down multiple times, so why do they keep trying? Do they see more of a chance now that we're getting more conservative views in the EP? It's good to see my country opposes it, but man.
It never stops. They keep trying and trying and trying until they get what they want. The only time things like this stop is if whatever wouldn't otherwise stop would inconvenience or take power from people in high places.
See: Brexit, where an advisory referendum was upheld, but we won't ever get another one to reverse it, even though that's a perfectly reasonable thing to want. Too many powerful people would stand to lose out.
It's only assumed the Netherlands opposes it because of the now fallen governments stance on it before. We all know that their campaign promises and 'regeerakkoord' are completly meaningless. So I'm still trying to call and emailing the dutch MEP's
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Educate friends and family on government surveillance, use privacy tools like Signal, VPN, Tor, etc. Help them set it up. You can do everyday actions to push back far more useful than signing a petition.
Until they decide those tools are illegal as well. They solve a different problem. The government will ban things it cannot control so you have to fight governments directly, not just work around them.
We should vote and learn how to shoot. Sign petitions and learn how to use privacy tools.
When used with a bridge/Snowflake, Tor can bypass government censorship. It works in China for example.
I don’t trust tor. It’s western tech developed by the US and they’ve been caught lying multiple times about security features being removed from tor browser.
I’m glad it’s there and we should always have multiple options but at this point i2p has more credibility and fewer questionable ties than tor does.
Tor is more established than I2P but they're both good, using either is a dramatic improvement in your privacy.
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I am so tired of this shit... every year they try to do this shit again. Every year we again have to convince them not too. Then a year later they try again.
They will keep trying until they win. Instead of focusing on important things, they just want to push laws for more control. Even our representatives should KNOW that people don't want this.
I always wonder that. When we mass call and email to let them know they are wrong on something incredibly obvious. Do they go "oh wow we didn't know you didn't want us to know your private conversations or have a list of your favorite porn categories 😲😲😲"? They should already know this.
They do know. They just don't care. It's not for you. It's to empower themselves. Even if it completely compromises/ends all private communications.
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Take note that there are lobbies pushing for these. Security state, police and religious fanatics wanting morality policing, also politicians who re afraid of popular upheaval.
The biggest lobby pushing this is companies like Thorn, who promise to provide (I.e. sell) the technology required to comply with such a law. It's literally just a business investment for them.
Yeah, and, unsurprisingly, the actual experts on child abuse and privacy are mostly against this.
Maybe if politicians did what the people wanted, they wouldn't have to be afraid of an uprising against them... and if religious cunts would just stay in their churches and mind their own business...
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yall gonna need some proverbial guiliotining, tbh. this is just another power grab.
They need control for the sake of control, there is nothing higher than absolute power.
Thoughtcrime is near...
They are already rounding up anyone protesting against genocide.
Well, how can I put it... Apparently, peaceful protests are not enough for them, they want people to use force? And then use it as an excuse for total control.
I'm currently reading 1984 and already seeing references to it a bit everywhere. Same happened when I read hitchiker's guide to the galaxy.
Yeah, of course, but it does happend from time to time(especially for hitchiker's guide).
Examples from hitchhikers?
Mostly towels and 42.
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I'm not sure if this is petition is actually helpful. It is 4 years old and hasn't been updated to note the renewed focus on this legislation: https://www.techradar.com/computing/cyber-security/the-eu-could-be-scanning-your-chats-by-october-2025-heres-everything-we-know
Instead it might be more helpful to directly contact your representatives.
This website can help you figure out who they are, and help formulate an email send to them:
https://fightchatcontrol.eu/
(Obviously it is best to write your own response, or at least update the text to be your own, but it could be a good springboard)
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And it is on change.org, just some portal that no one has to take seriously
EU actually has a website to make real petitions, 8 think it was https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/_en
Though I think the proper action would be to contact your local politicians.
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The European Union has begun to cross the border. I think they were inspired by United States and Signal and etc.
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