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[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 hours ago

Wireless data transmission should only ever be used for nomadic, temporary, and/or sacrificial links.

They’re useful for quick deployment, but are intrinsically brittle and terrible for resiliency and efficiency.

The longer the dependence on them for a given use case, the less defensible arguments in support of them become.

I’m all for the use of satellite delivery of internet services, but only when it’s used in conjunction with a broader roll out of hardwired infrastructure, at which point it can reasonably be relegated to serving as a secondary, backup diverse path.

[–] thatkomputerkat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

No fucking thanks. Gigabit+ fiber > Nazi-ass satellite internet that doesn’t have even remotely near the needed bandwidth for actual dense population centers.

[–] bizza@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 hours ago

I got a better idea: a civil war against oligarchs

[–] Octavio@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

I have a better idea: don’t do that.

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

You cannot actually serve hundreds of millions in the US even if you invested the 75B it would cost to give every household a satellite it just can't support the bandwidth.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 35 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Going from the most secure, hard wired formats to a con man's satellites would be a fatal error. Any sort of military conflict and the network is all down, atleast broadband keeps secure networks intact.

[–] BabyVi@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

Gotta gear up for America's century of humiliation.

[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago

I say that Emma Stone should divorce her husband and marry me instead.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 36 points 15 hours ago (6 children)

One day he's gonna get assassinated and it will be a global holiday

[–] hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 hours ago

I should buy some fireworks

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

We should always celebrate whenever male supremacists meet their demise. People who use the term “misandry” unironically, for example.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 17 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

You'd be instantly banned on reddit for this comment lol

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

Some of us were already banned for such comments, but now we are here being bloodthirsty dickheads. I want to put Musks head in a vice and tighten it till the two plates are dry.

[–] bigbabybilly@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

Which is why I’m here and not there. It’s the internet: I hope nobody posts their hot takes! Reddit needs to lighten up. Or even better, fuck off.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

i like the alternative saying

Some make the world better by their passing, others make the world better by their passing.

it's vague and passive enough that you have plausible deniability, but the meaning is clear. plus I like the poetry of it.

[–] hexagon@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 hours ago

I’m going to start the celebration from now

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[–] sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca 38 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Publicly funded fibre can be provider agnostic. Starlink can't. Unless Musk is arguing for the nationalization of Starlink, which frankly I could get behind.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 26 points 15 hours ago

We paid for it, it should be nationalized. But they only ever socialize their losses, the profits are private.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 16 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It shouldn’t be all or nothing. It should be diversified.

Yeah, there are rural locations where Starlink makes sense but also there are a lot of urban places that it would never work in.

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

Problem with Starlink is that the satellites need to be replaced every 5 years or so.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 4 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, please..... give me shitty satellite internet instead of a fast fiber line...

[–] bigbabybilly@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

I sure am sick of super fast, stable internet connections. Let’s all get something that fucks up when it’s cloudy.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 44 points 18 hours ago (16 children)

Except StarLink cannot possibly provide the same bandwidth, latency, and throughput a fiber connection can. Because of physics.

I can either share my 10G symmetrical connection with nobody, or with 200 others.

And, Fiber costs me $70 a month. Starlink, with worse performance, costs 4x more.

[–] iridebikes@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

It's not secure either. The next world war will involve efforts to sabotage satellites.

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[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Because of physics.

Pfff, physics, pesky detail! Clearly you are not a true visionary like Musk! /s

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[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago
[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago

To quote Dan Harmon out of context: "If you ask a toaster, "What's the most important thing in the world?" it's going to tell you, "Bread." And if you ask a toaster its opinion of bread, it's going to tell you, "It's not toasted enough."

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 13 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

On one hand, Musk.

On the other hand... Telecos.

You can either give billions more to the world's richest asshole, or you can give billions to companies that already received that money last time and did absolutely fuckall with it.

Lose-lose

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago

I mean there is a third option: municipal fiber

But then the gub’ment is your ISP but at least it’s not making billionaires money.

I’d suggest the best case scenario to me would be a fourth option like a community run co-op of fiber to the premises and have it be grant funded. But who am I kidding, that’s almost to socialist for rural America like where I live.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Third option: municipal fibre

[–] Geodad@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

We have that here. 🥰

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[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago

Not really. Most of the rural plans in the US are run by utilities companies that are local.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Low orbit satellites will never replace fiber because physics of latency, bandwidth and error correction.

As far as things go today well never need less fiber. Even if we cover the sky with satellites eventually we'd need to upgrade to fiber because its literally impossible to beat. Except for scifi tech like quantum entanglement networks which might not even be possible or practical and wouldn't need the satelites anyway.

As an infrastructure bet it makes absolutely zero sense except for covering rare niches like war zones or oceans.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago

Fiber is like rail transport for the internet: expensive, high throughput infrastructure along a defined path. But when it's already there, it's very hard to beat.

Oh right, Musk stopped the discussion of proposed rail expansion with his Boring tunnels and Hyperloop, now he is doing the same thing to the internet.

[–] TomArrr@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

The term "tech neutral' brings back terrible memories of the conservative Liberal successful campaign in #auspol against the #NBN (national broadband network) 😞

https://paulbudde.com/blog/nbn-ftth-broadband/the-coalitions-nbn-failure-political-sabotage-and-the-threat-of-privatisation-continues/

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

Musk is still hitting the special K.

[–] PlasmaTrout@lemmy.wtf 17 points 18 hours ago

I've been WFH for at least 10 years and live in rural area. Starlink was like 150-200$ a month for an unpredictable 5-150mbps and did meh. When I finally got fiber it was sub 100$ a month for 2gbps stable. Not a hard decision :)

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 66 points 23 hours ago

"Give me all your money" says world's richest person, in a fit of originality.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

They’re welcome to say that, as long as their ruler doesn’t enter the political or policy arena and have the moral depravity to act despite a conflict of interest. As long as corporations don’t have undue influence on politics from lobbying or donations.

We don’t have to listen.

Our representatives should be representing us. ….. alright alright you can stop laughing now

[–] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 16 hours ago

"Humans should give me chicken" says Cat.

[–] PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

Yes. Lets tie our expansion of desperately needed internet access in rural America to massively carbon emitting rocket launches. Thats definitely not gonna back fire on us.

[–] Enzyoo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Nah we don't support nazis

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[–] Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

SpaceX should deliver the service and access at the cost given and complete before the fiber team put a shovel in that ground.

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 21 points 21 hours ago

SpaceX should dump all their space plans and give back their grant money.

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