Now that y'all have finally caught up to the rest of the class, what the fuck are you going to do about it
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the UN? best we can do is strongly worded letter.
The UN is multiple entities some have executive power some does. ICJ can't do anything concrete so they can be blamed for not yet admitting there is a genocide yet but not for failling to stop the genocide. A commision job is to investigate, find a conclusion which they did, it is the un country members who has the power to stop the genocide
What the fuck do you expect them to do?
What the fuck?? We expect them to uphold their obligations under the genocide convention that all agreed to, mobilize their troops to engage the Israeli genocidal army and end the genocide.
No faith in them doing anything after two years of live streamed genocide, but I expect them to do more than the bare minimum that Spain is starting to do now.
The UN does not have "troops". UN peacekeepers are members of the armed forces of member states and are deployed at the behest of the Security Council. Why then would you blame the UN as an organisation for not sending in military personnel, when the fault lies in the members and, especially those who would veto any such action?
Jesus Christ, you're gonna pedantically argue semantics in a conversation about stopping active genocide?
The United NATIONS, as the name implies, is an intergovernmental organization of NATIONS. We don't expect António Guterres to personally arrest Netanyahu as the other pedantic comment mocked, we expect the governments that make up the UN to uphold their obligations, or failing that, for their people to hold their governments responsible.
Apathy rules, unfortunately, and when the Nazis come for you, there won't be anyone left to hear you say "actually, the UN does not have "troops" to save me".
I'm gonna be as pedantic as I ever am, yeah, because boring moaning about the UN is misguided and seeps into society.
When people make fun of the UN for "writing a strongly worded letter" that is a missed opportunity to criticise national governments, especially that of the USA, who are the ones with actual actions they can take, Israel itself notwithstanding.
Apathy rules, unfortunately, and when the Nazis come for you, there won’t be anyone left to hear you say “actually, the UN does not have “troops” to save me”.
Do you think whingeing about the UN would have saved me, or else what are you even trying to say here?
We aren't whining about the UN, we're talking about the nations that make it up. You're choosing to redirect the discussion to the UN specifically just to derail the conversation.
Thank you for the lesson no one was confused about, thank you for clarifying that the UN itself has no troops, despite me not making that claim in the first place. I repeat my expectation that the Nations needs to mobilize their troops to meet their obligations under the genocide convention to which they are party, which cannot reasonably be misinterpreted as the UN itself. I even named a nation explicitly that is finally doing something effective (Spain), but do go on.
I think what I'm saying is very clear, you're shrugging your shoulders and saying "what can we do, the UN has no power" instead of recognizing the failure of UN member nations to actually do something. You're apathetic to genocide and hide it behind pedantry and self-righteousness.
First they came for the communists, and all that. Palestine won't be the end, and when you find your own people the target of the Nazis, you'll have no one left asking their nations to intervene so you can twist their words into an irrelevant strawman to pour gasoline on and lite.
thank you for clarifying that the UN itself has no troops, despite me not making that claim in the first place
When I said "what do you expect them to do" I was referring to the UN, the topic of discussion. You then said you expected "them to mobilize their troops".
you’re shrugging your shoulders and saying “what can we do, the UN has no power” instead of recognizing the failure of UN member nations to actually do something
That is not something it makes sense to say in light of what I actually said:
When people make fun of the UN for “writing a strongly worded letter” that is a missed opportunity to criticise national governments, especially that of the USA
First they came for the communists, and all that. Palestine won’t be the end, and when you find your own people the target of the Nazis, you’ll have no one left asking their nations to intervene so you can twist their words into an irrelevant strawman to pour gasoline on and lite.
If you think that we need effective criticism of governments who enable Israeli crimes against humanity to avoid that future, then you should be agreeing with me.
Let countries point at the findings when they take action basically.
"We will write a strongly written letter after the genocide has concluded unless the checks bounce."
Now hold on, the United Kingdom's Labour government in all their infinite wisdom and omnipotent godlike knowledge just concluded that there is no genocide there, so who do I believe?!
They expressed sympathy and anger for a white supremacist being killed, but not a school shooting that same day. Fuck 'em
Honestly, there's too many school shootings to keep track of over there, it's basically just routine now. Awful as it sounds, reporting on them seems as pointless as reporting on motorway crashes - they keep happening regardless and are horrible preventable tragedies, but are limited in scope of their effect on a national or international scale.
High profile political activist assassinations are far less frequent though, and far more impactful on that country and potentially on an international scale depending on how the country adjusts it's policies or social norms (it's not a good thing I know, but they have become jaded to shootings in their schools and barely bat an eye when it happens on a national scale any more, so it doesn't really affect anything worth reporting on over here).
So, I can understand why one would get more attention than another, even if it's not remotely just or fair.
But yes, I can't imagine why our government would offer condolences or anything positive towards that fascist's memory or family. We're not afraid of calling a spade a spade over here, but our government isn't exactly stellar, alas.
I have long hoped that they would sort out their school slaughter problem, it's ridiculous that they've built and maintain a society that not only allows it to happen in any but the rarest most extreme of circumstances, but that they aren't interested in fixing the issue enough to actually make meaningful change.
Heck, I see them installing special equipment to slow down gunmen, I see them trying to arm their teachers (insanity), and give kids bullet proof backpacks and such. It all sounds ridiculous looking in from the outside so I don't know how much of that is even true, but it seems they're trying to treat the symptoms not the cause :-(
Anyway yeah, our current government sucks, I certainly didn't vote for them. Their stances on a great many things don't represent my views.
Then do something,anything.come on UN this is exactly what you where created for,do something,anything
The UN was created to avoid war between major powers, genocide is within its purview but not really something it's built to handle.
Like what? People say this all the time but rarely have any concept of what the UN can do.
Israel doesn't want to stop their genocide. Other countries don't want to force it to stop. How do you propose the UN takes action to halt it, other than by determining that it is a genocide and demanding that countries obey their obligations under international law?
Do you want António Guterres to personally march into Jerusalem and arrest Netanyahu?
Got it in one
The UN was created as a forum to discuss things. It has no means to enforce anything.
No shit...