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[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 168 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (15 children)

"We have the money to fix the problem, we really just don't want to."

Everyone always says homelessness is a complicated issue due to addiction and mental health and then that's it. full stop. in many peoples heads those TWO groups are the ONLY groups that make up the homeless population. but after volunteering I know better. you have students, you have women escaping domestic abuse, you have the elderly who can no longer afford rent, you have kids who are LGBTQ+ that have been disowned by their families, you have refugees, and you have people who simply lost their jobs and fell through the cracks.

allowing students to sleep in their cars is not a solution. it's another band aid applied to a massive gaping wound. And this isn't just an America issue, several countries are guilty of band aid "solutions". I mean hell here in Canada the government is talking about investing $1billion into AI for fucks sake. That $1billion could be better served in providing people with homes. There's never any long term planning here, always short term "solutions". Wouldn't it be advantageous to governments to ensure people have homes in order to get them back into the workforce thus paying taxes.

Call me a heart on the sleeve soft liberal all you want but I'm of the firm belief that EVERYONE deserves and has the right to a home and food and if they can't provide either of those things for themselves than we as a society, as a community, need to provide it for them. And I firmly believe that the majority of our society feel the same and wouldn't mind their tax dollars going towards that. It's just that the powers that be don't want that.

[–] Fermion@mander.xyz 55 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

One of the most humane solutions is also the most economically efficient. Early intervention programs like rent/utility assistance are significantly cheaper in the long run than trying to rehabilitate people who have already lost everything and have a litany of health issues because of it. If conservatives really want to save money, they should be embracing "an ounce of prevention saves a pound of cure." Instead, they're stuck in wanting to SEE the desperation before even considering helping. Safety nets are major economic stimulus in the long run because it's much easier to attempt entrepeneurship if you aren't making a life and death gamble. But something tells me the currently wealthy know this and don't want competition popping up.

Then of course we also need to fix affordability issues, because unaffordable necessities put everyone at risk.

My point is that even if you mostly just care about efficient government and economic growth, you should still come to similar conclusions as "bleeding heart liberals." Conservatives don't come to those conclusions not by economic arguments, but because they fail to see the merit of collective problem solving. They want to have their own little castle with all their stuff that they can defend under penalty of death. We pretend the argument is about feasability and cost effectiveness, but the real issue is that they don't think that any proposal that would take anything from them or require giving is an option. That's why you see the economically destitute and ultra wealthy in an unholy alliance. Both of those groups are prone to wanting to circle the wagons and consider only the wellbeing of people in their little circle -- the poor out of desperation, and the wealthy out of possessiveness. Everyone not in their little circle is someone else's problem.

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[–] GaryGhost@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

At least it's safe from police brutality. I just watched a video of a police officer breaking grandpas ribs and collapsing his lung for sleeping in his car at a unofficial park. He was driving across the states and got so tired that he couldn't keep his eyes open, so he pulled over to nap with his fucking bird. He had his pet bird in the passenger seat. So we can't even sleep in our cars without getting assaulted

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I know many people who worked in the capital but lived outside of it and, since traffic makes it basically impossible to get into the city between 8 and 9am, they would arrive at ~7 and just nap for an hour or two in their cars. I can't, for the life of me, even fathom why that would be wrong in the eyes of a copper. Truly ACAB.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I often sleep in my car while traveling for work. It doesn't make sense to pay $100 plus, when I'm only going to be in it for 6 hours.

I ALWAYS park in a rest area or a truck stop, and I've never had an issue.

[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If your company is not paying expenses for a hotel, get another job.

Crazy what Americans have to go through

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My boss sucks, he's a cheapskate, and an incompetent boob, and I'd quit, but I don't know what else to do.

I'm self-employed.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Respect your employee more, let them have a decent night's sleep.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Fuck him, he's a bum. My other employees are awesome though.

[–] GaryGhost@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

At a rest stop or truck stop it's expected that truckers are a sleep. I know Michigan can be full of truck stops while Illinois has maybe one that I know, more like a welcome center. I'm actually impressed that Michigan invested into so many stops. While driving through some parts the country I got a piss into a bottle or behind a dumpster. The dumpster is fun, I can scare the shit out of random employees taking out the trash. I could also end up unconscious, risky

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[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (4 children)

We're collectively picking all the worst solutions, aren't we?

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We have sunk to the point where living in your car is an acceptable living option, and the government would rather have that, than address the basic problem of housing affordability.

To exacerbate the issue, many communities and states are "banning" and criminalizing homelessness, arresting people for the crime of being so poor you can't afford any sort of roof.

The beatings will continue until we learn to enjoy it.

[–] ContriteErudite@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Paraphrasing a quote I head years ago: Americans will always do the right thing, after exhausting all other possibilities.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 points 3 days ago

A drive-in bedroom. How very American.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

The 1930s had hoovervilles.

We have the trump dorms.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is not a solution it's a workaround. Sleeping in cars is typically hard sleeping, which is still the problem.

[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Don't call it a crisis, sell it as a new hip lifestyle on social media! #vanlife

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[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 73 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

See? We can have a society in which some people have 10 homes and some have none.

"#BothSides"

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[–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Heartwarming! Broke students who can't afford places to live allowed to stay in their cars in the parking lot!

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

yeah this is their solution. not the 'least worst stopgap while we build student affordable housing', this is it.

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[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Anything but build affordable housing or abolish rent. It’s like that “no way to prevent this” Onion article.

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[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

I would be excited to find any open parking spot at school that won't get me ticketed and/or towed

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 52 points 4 days ago (1 children)

“Orphan-crushing Machine”

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[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 43 points 3 days ago (10 children)

WHY are Less people Going to College?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (12 children)

College costs are ridiculous.

Student loans are extortionate.

The ROI on the investment is shitty. IOW you get an expensive degree for a job field that doesn’t pay enough to pay for the degree and living expenses.

There’s a big social media anti-college push. Don’t know whether that’s politically motivated/propaganda, just get rich being a tiktokker or something, or a combination of that and all of the above.

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[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (3 children)

"Entrepreneurs" will soon be snapping up parking lots and charging rent for a space. Capitalism!...yay?

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They already do. Paid parking is a thing in pretty much every city in America. In many places, parking lots are wildly profitable. Each parking spot can often earn upwards of $50 per hour during surges.

Paid parking lots in Dallas average somewhere around $8 per hour. That’s with some people paying like $30 for three hours, or $60 for all-day parking. Assuming a ~50% occupancy (busy during the day, emptier overnight) will have a 100 spot lot taking home around $9600 per day.

That’s a number that many coffee shops and convenience stores could only dream of… And the lot doesn’t even need to worry about things like maintaining inventory or hiring cashiers. Their overhead costs are basically nonexistent. They just plop a sign with a QR code at the entrance for people with Apple/Google Pay, and have an automated card reader for the people who don’t have phones. A pair of minimum wage attendants can watch multiple lots in a few city blocks, golf carting between them every ~20 minutes as they make the rounds to scan license plates and make sure people are paid up. Maybe give the attendant who calls in the most tows an extra vacation day each quarter to keep them “motivated”.

Security cameras make limiting your security liability easy. Hell, in many cases tow truck companies will even pay the owner to be allowed to tow from their lots. Because the tow company makes money every single time they snag a car, so they’ll pay a percentage of that to be allowed to tow cars from their lots. So towing enforcement actually makes you money instead of being an expense.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

busy during the day, emptier overnight

Ah, so THAT is the problem they're looking to solve here.

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[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 11 points 3 days ago

They already do this? Where do you live with free parking?

A parking spot makes more than I do...

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (5 children)

With each new headline like this I hate my country just a little bit more.

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[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I had to sleep in my car from time to time when I was in college.

I'd park in a well-lit spot in an active parking lot (back in the before times, many major retailers were open 24/7) in a safer part of town. The backseats of my car were pull-downs that opened directly into the trunk. So, I'd sneakily climb through and into the trunk, then curl up back there to sleep.

It was a dark space and since nobody could see me back there, there was less chance of someone targeting me for robbery (sleeping person = easy target) or calling the cops on me (sleeping person = drugs or medical emergency). But those were still factors that added lots of stress to an already shitty situation.

I know times are harder for more people these days, but I figured I'd share since a lot of people don't actively recognize that things were also difficult for many people back in the day as well. While there's obviously a problem that needs to be solved here, and it sucks that we're at a point where this is considered a solution, I would just say, don't let perfection get in the way of progress.

Of course we should strive for a situation where everybody has a home, familial / social supports, good stable income, etc. But, also, even a little added comfort from having a safe(r) place to park & sleep as well as access to things like showers and bathrooms is a tiny little step in the right direction.

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[–] invictvs@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

This reminds me of those stories of old England where there were warehouses filled with coffins and you could rent a coffin to sleep in if you were homeless. Or even better, if you are too poor for the coffin there were those houses where you can rent your place on a rope tied between two wooden beams, so you can hang ober the rope and have a good night's sleep until in the morning the owner wakes you up by cutting the rope.

[–] matlag@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago

Next step will be to provide totalled cars for students who are homeless AND can't afford cars. They'll be dropped in these "safe zones". And then ask for a rent…

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 6 points 3 days ago

Progress.

:3

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Even pod apartments would be better than this..

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Honestly, a Japanese-style capsule hotel and net cafe would probably do very well in a university environment.

Granted, that's still charging people for homelessness, which doesn't help any of the underlying problems. It's just slightly less dystopian since it's cheap.

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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm reading this after coming from a thread in which people were mocking or handwringing over an article that suggested the official poverty line was unrealistically low.

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I mean yeah, the poverty line is unrealistically low. It’s tied to the average annual price of food, even though food is not a major expense in most impoverished households. Truly broke people are spending like five dollars a day on food, with beans, rice, lentils, bouillon, spices, and whatever else they happen to have available/find on sale in a 20 year old crockpot. Food is a negligible expense when you take the time to prep, and truly impoverished people don’t have a choice. They’re forced to prep, or else they’ll starve.

The other costs, like rent, car payments, utilities, etc., have all massively ballooned in comparison to the price of food. Rent only used to account for ~20% of expenses, but now it often accounts for over 50%… But since the poverty line is tied directly to food, it hasn’t adjusted to maintain a realistic measure of expenses.

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[–] SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe put the parking lot down by the river, that's where I'd like to park my van

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[–] ghost9@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Zoidberg: Still, to have your own parking spot!

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