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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42834907

“The reason we’re here is because the government of the United States wants you to leave the United States,” Judge Ubaid ul-Haq, presiding from a courtroom on Varick Street, told a group of about a dozen children on a recent morning on Webex.

The parties included a 7-year-old boy, wearing a shirt emblazoned with a pizza cartoon, who spun a toy windmill while the judge spoke. There was an 8-year-old girl and her 4-year-old sister, in a tie-dye shirt, who squeezed a pink plushy toy and stuffed it into her sleeve. None of the children were accompanied by parents or attorneys, only shelter workers who helped them log on to the hearing.

Immigrant advocates and lawyers say an increasing number of migrant children are making immigration court appearances without the assistance of attorneys, which they say will lead to more children getting deported.

“That child will be ordered deported from this country — that could all happen without that child ever speaking with an attorney and given the opportunity to obtain representation,” Shah said. “The cruelty is really apparent to all of us out here in the field.”

holy shit

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 hours ago

Judge: I will help you since you have no lawyer.

4 year old girl: No habla Engles

following translated:

Judge: Where were you born?

girl: I don't remember. I was too young.

Judge: If you show me a US birth certificate or SS ID card, I can help you not be deported.

girl: uhhh... what? what is words?

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 15 points 9 hours ago

This isn't oniony. It's just sad.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 33 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ, we're fucking monsters.

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 89 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe if these KIDS didn't WANT to be in Court they SHOULDNT have Committed CRIMES!

-Republicans who Voted for the 34 FELONIES Candidate!

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 21 points 17 hours ago

Why are they spending time in a courtroom when they could be in the mines?

Yeah, this is the part where the Nazis were rounding up the gypsies. That's where we are right now.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 79 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Judge Ubaid ul-Haq should be ashamed for even presiding over that farce.

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 71 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They can preside over it, but they should just have dismissed the case with prejudice for the government not providing a lawyer.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 59 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (22 children)

Unfortunately the law does not obligate the govt to provide a lawyer.

Edit: In immigration court. This is not a criminal court.

Edit edit: The number of people unable to comprehend the difference is giving me insight into just how bad the education system is in the states.

Edit edit edit: Apparently me explaining the facts of the matter makes me a bad guy 🤦

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You are correct, and ultimately the issue is that the laws shouldn't be different for immigration courts or immigration agents, because wrongful detention or deportation can be worse than wrongful imprisonment.

No argument there, this is a farce of a kangaroo court

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 86 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Jesus Christ, this is awful

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

You know what's worse?

The amount of comments above you that are nothing but jokes and misinformation

[–] cornshark@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

It that really worse though?

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 24 points 1 day ago (6 children)

This has been going on for many years.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

While allowing any unrepresented kids to be deported is bad, it’s now twice as bad as before.

Kraft said that before the contract was terminated, she saw 30% to 40% of children in a given docket without lawyers. Now, she said, the number has increased to 50% to 60%.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If that's true, let's be glad it's getting attention now.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was getting attention in 2018 too. John Oliver even did an episode about it. People just don’t care as long as it isn’t them.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 hours ago

I keep caring harder and harder but that just makes me more anxious.

Also, am Canadian so it’s not like I can do anything about it.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ballsy move kids, but will be a big blow to the lawyering industry if they win.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world -2 points 8 hours ago

and we become more reddit every fucking day...

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 39 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Why are we not burning the white house down or dismantling any ICE facilities? 😬

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 3 points 9 hours ago

Because if you do you will probably be killed or sent to El Salvador. Unless most people are doing it, nobody wants to take that risk.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

burning the white house down

Hey. That's our thing.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

they did this in his first term. this is part of why he was elected. racists vote.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm just going to point out that Trump has declared that the official language of the United States is English, so I'm sure he's going to put in another executive order saying there shouldn't be any translators made available.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago
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