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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42834907

“The reason we’re here is because the government of the United States wants you to leave the United States,” Judge Ubaid ul-Haq, presiding from a courtroom on Varick Street, told a group of about a dozen children on a recent morning on Webex.

The parties included a 7-year-old boy, wearing a shirt emblazoned with a pizza cartoon, who spun a toy windmill while the judge spoke. There was an 8-year-old girl and her 4-year-old sister, in a tie-dye shirt, who squeezed a pink plushy toy and stuffed it into her sleeve. None of the children were accompanied by parents or attorneys, only shelter workers who helped them log on to the hearing.

Immigrant advocates and lawyers say an increasing number of migrant children are making immigration court appearances without the assistance of attorneys, which they say will lead to more children getting deported.

“That child will be ordered deported from this country — that could all happen without that child ever speaking with an attorney and given the opportunity to obtain representation,” Shah said. “The cruelty is really apparent to all of us out here in the field.”

holy shit

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[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 81 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Judge Ubaid ul-Haq should be ashamed for even presiding over that farce.

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They can preside over it, but they should just have dismissed the case with prejudice for the government not providing a lawyer.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 60 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Unfortunately the law does not obligate the govt to provide a lawyer.

Edit: In immigration court. This is not a criminal court.

Edit edit: The number of people unable to comprehend the difference is giving me insight into just how bad the education system is in the states.

Edit edit edit: Apparently me explaining the facts of the matter makes me a bad guy 🤦

[–] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

You are correct, and ultimately the issue is that the laws shouldn't be different for immigration courts or immigration agents, because wrongful detention or deportation can be worse than wrongful imprisonment.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago

No argument there, this is a farce of a kangaroo court

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

checks upvotes

Looks like lemmy is just as poorly informed as the rest of the internet

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is not a criminal court. From the article:

Unlike in criminal court, people — including adults and children — in immigration court aren’t guaranteed pro bono attorneys if their incomes fall below a certain threshold.

[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

"Yet the immigration system does not provided [sic] court-appointed counsel to immigrants facing deportation who are unable to afford a lawyer."

https://immigrantjustice.org/issues/access-counsel

Everyone's right. It's horrible, but it's the way it has been. It's just getting and will continue to get worse.