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  • Volkswagen beat Tesla in European EV sales across the first three months of 2025, data shows.
  • Registrations for VW EVs are up more than 150%, while Tesla lost huge ground.
  • However, the Model Y and Model 3 remain Europe's top two most-registered EVs.
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[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 21 points 19 hours ago
[–] Clanket@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

On my second ID4, and the wife has our first ID3. Lovely cars to drive, will never go back to an ice car again.

[–] RecallMadness@lemmy.nz 4 points 16 hours ago

Why a second? Your first couldn’t have been any more than 5 years old.

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 4 points 16 hours ago

What's your opinion on used ID4s from 2021ish? Used ones are surprisingly cheap to get and I'm a little unsure why that is

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

After Krasnov was elected, all big ticket items are on hold for at least two years. Bravo Volkswagen Group kicking Tesla in the nutsacks. Carry on!

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In fact it's even more crazy if you consider VW group:

Tesla Total 53,237

VW Group:
VW 65,679
Audi 34,739
Skoda 26,578
Cupra (SEAT) 18,878
Porsche 9,929

VW Group total 155,803

ratio 155803/53237 = 2.93
VW group has almost 3 times higher sales than Tesal!!

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/04/vw-finally-beats-tesla-outselling-it-in-q1-ev-sales-in-europe/

PS:
Stellantis:
Peugeot 24,397
Citroen 16,367
Opel 13,612
FIAT 6,825
Stellantis Total 61,201

Stellantis manages to clearly beat Tesla too!!

Edit: I forgot FIAT in the Stellantis numbers.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

Although I love the positivity, this is more a story about Tesla than VW.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Wow that Herbert Diess guy was right!

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Somewhat amazed they've rebounded this much given the VW emission scandal some years back. Guess it wasn't that brand-damaging after all.

[–] Robbity@lemm.ee 6 points 18 hours ago

Barely made a dent commercially, but put the company in a difficult financial situation where build quality was a bit lower and cars a bit more expensive for a while.

The point of these punishments should never be to kill a company, but to hurt investors, who are ultimately responsible for setting the CEOs agenda.

And, well, VW stock is still down about -80% compared to pre-dieselgate. So I would say eurocapitalism working as intended.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

At the time, news reports credited the scandal with forcing VW to start investing in EVs. Without that scandal, they’d still be struggling to get started

[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

VW are all time cunts, but somehow their competition are even cuntier.

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[–] frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Watch out for BYD from China.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago (15 children)

Freaking hell Lemmy has a huge hard on for BYD.

[–] frankgrimeszz@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago

I only brought them up because I saw a news report that their dealerships are popping up and their starting price is much lower than Tesla. Like €17000.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Not my part of lemmy, must just be Tankies or some shit.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 11 points 22 hours ago

I've seen some videos on them. They look pretty nice but I worry about how they hold up and the build quality, as I would any relatively unestablished brand.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

It’s more expensive. Like the byd Tang is like 150% the price of a vw id4

[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right now they’re more expensive in Europe due to tariffs (not the Trump ones), however there were some talks about the EU reducing or removing the tariff on them in which case I can see demand exploding because of their price.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

AFAIK the Tariff in EU on BYD BEV is 13% (The tariffs vary based on how much state funding the brand has received), but if they have hybrids, they can sell them without tariff. The tariffs are only on BEV.

I dont think their sales would explode if the tariffs were removed. Many people are still cautious about Chinese cars, and some simply don't want a car made in China.

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We have them, but people don't seem to be too eager to buy.

[–] Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I live in Germany and I would love to buy a chinese EV but I just can't find any place that sells them. You just can't really order cars online from China like you can with other products.

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've seen some BYD here in Germany. No clue where they were bought though.

And that ugly Ora whatever cat. I've seen that as well 😵‍💫

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Weird here in Denmark they have a map of dealers on their homepage?
They have dealers pretty well distributred throughout the country.

https://www.bydauto.dk/find-forhandler

Same in Germany:
https://www.byd.com/de/find-store

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You have the best stuff. If it weren't that far, just for some sauce...

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Looks nice, unfortunately it's pretty inconvenient for me to get to Sweden, although we have the bridge from Copenhagen, it's 1½ hour drive to get to it.

But if all goes well, we will get the Femern connection to Germany in 4 years, and that's only a ½ hour drive. 😀

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

No worries, I think it's Finnish anyway 😂

But it seems to be available in Denmark as well. This one is from Sweden, the last few were from Norway.

I mean, if I have the car full of booze on the way up, I can at least fill it up with mustard on the way back.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Well the label is entirely in Swedish.

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

You're right, I just checked. They're from Eslöv. Don't know why I thought of Finland. Anyways, time for BBQ.

Edit: Skåne even is on the label 😂

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Yet teslas stock is skyrocketing….how is this happening?!!?

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Same reason Truth Social does. A bunch of idiots praying to their master.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 21 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Tesla was the top EV seller in Europe? I'm surprised.

I'm guessing the top electric-only vehicle excluding hybrids and plug-in hybrids? In the two or three European countries I visit often you definitely see more of those, at least anecdotally. But maybe London City techbros and finance bros outweight everybody else? That seems plausible.

I have to say, I find all of these reports and investor analyses on Tesla's PR woes way too optimistic about how well they'll recover if and when Musk "steps away from the government". I really don't think that genie is going back in the bottle, guys.

[–] troed@fedia.io 24 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Don't know about "London City techbros and finance bros" but in Sweden and Norway we prefer pure EV over hybrids.

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 9 points 1 day ago

Fair. That's the problem of reporting about Europe or even just the EU as a unit. Big place, lots of cultural differences, lots of size differences in economies and populations across those cultures.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Tesla was the top EV seller in Europe? I’m surprised.

Not only that, A few years ago, Tesla was as big as all the rest combined!

I’m guessing the top electric-only vehicle excluding hybrids and plug-in hybrids?

That's how it should be, but in most cases it's not. 100% battery is called BEV now. But BEV sales have far surpassed plugin Hybrid (PHEV).

IMO a Hybrid plugin or not is NOT electric just as it is NOT an ICE, it's a hybrid of the 2! But Hybrids are generally counted as EV.

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[–] Ziggurat@fedia.io 15 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Tesla understood that Batteries are expensive so let's make a fancy car so customer are OK to pay for the batteries main brand either didn't have an EV or tried to make a cheap electric car, cutting down the autonomy (e.g. the Renault Zoe). Add the whole We're a progressive company, so we give Tesla rather than diesel mercedes to our executive and Tesla was the main player on the niche market for a decade.

However, as electric car stop being a Niche, every brand has now several electrical models, from a affordable urban one_ to a comfortable and fancy one, If you can afford a Mercedes, Tesla is still an option (but then there is Musk personality not helping) but if you ain't rich, you can go to Volkswagen or Renault depending on how broke you are

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 2 points 17 hours ago

I have always been a Toyota guy, and recently driving a Toyota corolla hybrid made me want that car.

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