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In fact it's even more crazy if you consider VW group:
Tesla Total 53,237
VW Group:
VW 65,679
Audi 34,739
Skoda 26,578
Cupra (SEAT) 18,878
Porsche 9,929
VW Group total 155,803
ratio 155803/53237 = 2.93
VW group has almost 3 times higher sales than Tesal!!
https://www.carscoops.com/2025/04/vw-finally-beats-tesla-outselling-it-in-q1-ev-sales-in-europe/
PS:
Stellantis:
Peugeot 24,397
Citroen 16,367
Opel 13,612
FIAT 6,825
Stellantis Total 61,201
Stellantis manages to clearly beat Tesla too!!
Edit: I forgot FIAT in the Stellantis numbers.
On my second ID4, and the wife has our first ID3. Lovely cars to drive, will never go back to an ice car again.
Why a second? Your first couldn’t have been any more than 5 years old.
3 year PCP deals
What's your opinion on used ID4s from 2021ish? Used ones are surprisingly cheap to get and I'm a little unsure why that is
We'd a 211 ID4 and it was a lovely car. It was in perfect condition when we traded it in last year. How cheap are ye talking? High km on it?
We might need a car at some point in the next 12 months, that's why I look online from time to time for a used BEV to get a feeling how much money we will need. I had the feeling that ID4s usually lose more value over time than ID3s, but I didn't analyse it much further than that. Roughly, the numbers I saw were new ones are 30k€ for an ID3 and 40k€ for an ID4 while you apparently can get both used for 20k€.
After Krasnov was elected, all big ticket items are on hold for at least two years. Bravo Volkswagen Group kicking Tesla in the nutsacks. Carry on!
Watch out for BYD from China.
Freaking hell Lemmy has a huge hard on for BYD.
Can't speak for other countries, but in Australia BYD is smashing it.
They represent incredible value for money and it's not like we've got a local industry to protect - our conservative government made sure of that.
We're already the world's dumping ground for shit vehicles that don't meet emissions standards, so having a non-Elon Musk EV alternative is something people are grabbing with both hands. We bought a BYD Seal Performance for $70k AUD a little over a year ago. For that money you get an incredibly comfortable sedan that does 500k on a charge, costs about $1 per 100km to run, and does 0-100 in 3.8 seconds.
EU vehicles are crazy overpriced by comparison, and because they try and position Mercedes / BMW / VW as luxury brands here the servicing and repair costs are through the roof. Part availability also sucks, with everything being a 6+ week lead time. We've owned European vehicles on several occasions and never again.
I only brought them up because I saw a news report that their dealerships are popping up and their starting price is much lower than Tesla. Like €17000.
I've seen some videos on them. They look pretty nice but I worry about how they hold up and the build quality, as I would any relatively unestablished brand.
Not my part of lemmy, must just be Tankies or some shit.
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It’s more expensive. Like the byd Tang is like 150% the price of a vw id4
We have them, but people don't seem to be too eager to buy.
I live in Germany and I would love to buy a chinese EV but I just can't find any place that sells them. You just can't really order cars online from China like you can with other products.
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Right now they’re more expensive in Europe due to tariffs (not the Trump ones), however there were some talks about the EU reducing or removing the tariff on them in which case I can see demand exploding because of their price.
AFAIK the Tariff in EU on BYD BEV is 13% (The tariffs vary based on how much state funding the brand has received), but if they have hybrids, they can sell them without tariff. The tariffs are only on BEV.
I dont think their sales would explode if the tariffs were removed. Many people are still cautious about Chinese cars, and some simply don't want a car made in China.
Somewhat amazed they've rebounded this much given the VW emission scandal some years back. Guess it wasn't that brand-damaging after all.
Barely made a dent commercially, but put the company in a difficult financial situation where build quality was a bit lower and cars a bit more expensive for a while.
The point of these punishments should never be to kill a company, but to hurt investors, who are ultimately responsible for setting the CEOs agenda.
And, well, VW stock is still down about -80% compared to pre-dieselgate. So I would say eurocapitalism working as intended.
At the time, news reports credited the scandal with forcing VW to start investing in EVs. Without that scandal, they’d still be struggling to get started
VW are all time cunts, but somehow their competition are even cuntier.
I don't think there really are ethical car manufacturers tbh, but it's a spectrum for sure...
Although I love the positivity, this is more a story about Tesla than VW.
Wow that Herbert Diess guy was right!
Tesla was the top EV seller in Europe? I'm surprised.
I'm guessing the top electric-only vehicle excluding hybrids and plug-in hybrids? In the two or three European countries I visit often you definitely see more of those, at least anecdotally. But maybe London City techbros and finance bros outweight everybody else? That seems plausible.
I have to say, I find all of these reports and investor analyses on Tesla's PR woes way too optimistic about how well they'll recover if and when Musk "steps away from the government". I really don't think that genie is going back in the bottle, guys.
Don't know about "London City techbros and finance bros" but in Sweden and Norway we prefer pure EV over hybrids.
Fair. That's the problem of reporting about Europe or even just the EU as a unit. Big place, lots of cultural differences, lots of size differences in economies and populations across those cultures.
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Tesla was the top EV seller in Europe? I’m surprised.
Not only that, A few years ago, Tesla was as big as all the rest combined!
I’m guessing the top electric-only vehicle excluding hybrids and plug-in hybrids?
That's how it should be, but in most cases it's not. 100% battery is called BEV now. But BEV sales have far surpassed plugin Hybrid (PHEV).
IMO a Hybrid plugin or not is NOT electric just as it is NOT an ICE, it's a hybrid of the 2! But Hybrids are generally counted as EV.
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Tesla understood that Batteries are expensive so let's make a fancy car so customer are OK to pay for the batteries main brand either didn't have an EV or tried to make a cheap electric car, cutting down the autonomy (e.g. the Renault Zoe). Add the whole We're a progressive company, so we give Tesla rather than diesel mercedes to our executive and Tesla was the main player on the niche market for a decade.
However, as electric car stop being a Niche, every brand has now several electrical models, from a affordable urban one_ to a comfortable and fancy one, If you can afford a Mercedes, Tesla is still an option (but then there is Musk personality not helping) but if you ain't rich, you can go to Volkswagen or Renault depending on how broke you are
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Yet teslas stock is skyrocketing….how is this happening?!!?
Same reason Truth Social does. A bunch of idiots praying to their master.
I have always been a Toyota guy, and recently driving a Toyota corolla hybrid made me want that car.
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